blackangel
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hi
i really need help with this one....my ggreat grandad was called john geffrey fraser born 1912 in coventry and moved to hull....his father was also called john fraser was born in 1879 england(thats all i know)and was married to blanche a baker...but its his father that i`m stuck on his name was henry fraser but my great auntie told me that henry`s real name is infact fredrick friesera and he`s a polish jew and moved across here changed his name to henry fraser as you can tell i`m really stuck and she swears on this info but i`m not to sure but as i cant find any info on henry fraser i`m staying open minded...please please help me if you can
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blackangel
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ok thanks i`l try them on ancestry i havent heard of norah mary fraser so i`l look her up
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blackangel
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oh great back to square 1 then 
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dee melody
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Blackangel:
Birth
John G Fraser
June 1912 / Coventry
Vol No: 6d / Page No: 1059
Mother Surname: Baker
Marriage
John Fraser / Blanche Ann Baker
December 1909 / Congleton
Vol No: 8a / Page No: 539
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukMelody: Carrick, Attymass, Ballina, County Mayo Cassidy:Mayo/Leitrim Granaghan: Crossmolina, County Mayo Mullens: Kensington, London |
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blackangel
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thanks dee but i have that already thank you anyway its just trying to find this mysterious polish jew
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dee melody
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Kirsty, you will have to work back from each generation. What does the marriage cert say and then trace it via the Census to make sure you have the correct family and so on. There is no easy way I'm afraid. I can see a Henry Fraser with a son John on the 1881 Census, but he is born in London in 1825.
If you trace back and get John's birth cert with his parents names then it should lead you to Henry.
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukMelody: Carrick, Attymass, Ballina, County Mayo Cassidy:Mayo/Leitrim Granaghan: Crossmolina, County Mayo Mullens: Kensington, London |
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blackangel
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ok thanks for all ur help dee 
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posteria
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Hello
The 1911 census indicates that John Fraser was a Commercial Traveller born in 1879/80 at Low Broughton, Salford.
There is no birth registration for a John Fraser in Salford in those years. There is, however, a birth registration for a Frederick Frieser.
On the 1881 census he is shown as Frederick J Frieser aged 1 son of Herman (or Hyman) Frieser.
On the 1891 census he is listed as Jacob Fraser and on the 1901 census he is not living with his parents Herman and Cecilia but his two siblings Louis and Eleanor Frieser are still at home. Herman is a Commercial Traveller.
I cannot see any sign of Frederick or Jacob Frieser after 1891 but in 1901 a John Fraser of the correct age appears in lodgings at census reference Salford RG13/3714 Folio 118 Page 21. He is a Commercial Clerk.
I wonder if there is a large grain of truth in the allegation made by great auntie but that it might actually have been John Fraser himself who changed his name from Frederick Jacob Frieser and that it was he also who decided to say that his father, Herman/Hyman, was called Henry.
Tracing Herman/Hyman back in the censuses he was born in Manchester but his parents, Morris and Miriam were from Cracow.
What do you think ?
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posteria
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On the 1911 census, his parents Hyman and Cecilia and his siblings Louis and Eleanor are all still living together in Salford and they are listed as Fraser.
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blackangel
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thank you so much for that info and i think you might be onto something.... i think that u might have found the one i`m after cause my great auntie said she cant remember if its my great grandads grandfather or his great grandfather so i think u have found something of interest...let me know if u have anymore info please i would be very greatfull
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posteria
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Hello
Here are some relevant census entries, in case it is the correct family and in case you do not have access to them ....
1861
Manchester RG9/2949 Folio 57 Page 6
Morris Frieser Head M 31 Tassell Manufacturer Austria Cracow
Miriam do Wife M 32 Austria Cracow
Hyman do Son 5 Scholar Lancashire Manchester
Bluma do Daur 3 Lancashire Manchester
22 Johnson St, Manchester
I think that Cracow (or Krakow) was classed as a part of Austria from about 1795 until 1918, when Poland regained independence.
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posteria
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1871
Manchester RG10/4045 Folio 41 Page 12
Morris Frieser Head M 40 Tassell Maker Austria Cracow
Miriam do Wife M 38 Tassell Maker Austria Cracow
Hyman do Son U 16 Tassell Maker Manchester
Leaner ? do Daur 13 Tassell Maker Manchester
Gestiv ? do Son 10 Scholar Manchester
Elias do Son 5 Scholar Manchester
Solomon do Son 3 Manchester
11 Mayes ? St, Manchester
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