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Topic: Can anyone read this place name please? (Read 443 times)
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dcbnwh
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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My wife's ancestor, John Davey, was born in Cornwall c 1821, son of John Davey, an agent (mine agent?). He moved to Yorkshire, possibly before 1841, although we have no definite date or positive ID on the 1841 census.
On the 1851 and 1871 censuses he simply gives his birth place as Cornwall, but there is a village name in 1861, which has been transcribed as George. However, the handwriting is not very clear and we are certain that the name is just a best guess.
We think that he may have been born in Gwinear and the name on the census may be a Yorkshie interpretation of a word spoken with a Cornish accent - e.g. Gwinyer or Gwinye.
The attached image is an extract from the census and the name below is Cononley, Kildwick.
I would be grateful for any help in identifying the name.
Regards,
David
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charlotteCH
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Hi, The second and fourth letter of the mystery word look like "r" and especially if you look at the handwriting for Cornwall and the "r" there.
But Gr?rage? is that a place name...
Checked out the indesx of an AA atlas of Cornwall and can't see any place name that throws light on this. Of course the name may be for a tiny village or somewhere no longer extant.
Let's see what others make of it.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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hepburn
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I think Gr--age like Charlotte....Is there a Gronage? No there isn't 
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derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
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Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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charlotteCH
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No Gronage listed in 1989 Motoring Atlas...
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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kerryb
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Are the first two letters Gw....?
Kerry
PS I think I go with David's idea of Gwinyer
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSearching for my family - Baldwin - Sussex, Middlesex, Cork, Pilbeam - Sussex, Harmer - Sussex, Terry - Surrey, Kent, Rhoades - Lincs, Roffey - Surrey, Traies - Devon & Middlesex & many many more to be found on my website .... www.kerrysfamilyhistory.co.uk |
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charlotteCH
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Are the first two letters Gw....?
Kerry
PS I think I go with David's idea of Gwinyer
Not in that atlas either...
nearest spelling in Cornwall is Gwithian
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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kerryb
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Gwinear is between Carnhell Green and Hayle on the north coast
Kerry
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSearching for my family - Baldwin - Sussex, Middlesex, Cork, Pilbeam - Sussex, Harmer - Sussex, Terry - Surrey, Kent, Rhoades - Lincs, Roffey - Surrey, Traies - Devon & Middlesex & many many more to be found on my website .... www.kerrysfamilyhistory.co.uk |
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charlotteCH
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I agree with Mumsie that it's Gr.... look at how Cornwall is written and the 'r'there.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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krisesjoint
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As David is suggesting, I feel the accent is the problem here. I see Gwnye. Makes me think Gwennap/Gwinnear. I thought I may have been onto it when I found a John baptised in Gwennap in 1822 to John and Phyllis. Father was a miner. On trying to track the family I find a John and Philippa in Gwennap with a son John to fit. - The son later lists a mine agent, as has become his father, but alas he remained in Cornwall. 
I had hoped there may have been another couple John and Phyllis, and this was not the same couple but find their daughter Caroline also lists with mother Phyllis at baptism so I think it is probably the same couple. Sorry to say, I have not had any luck finding another likely John with a father John.
Kris 
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dcbnwh
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Thank you for all of the replies.
I have looked at all of the other sheets for the area in 1861 but the handwriting varies. Some times he writes an 'r' like the second letter but sometimes it is different. His 'w' is also very similar.
Our best bet is that John was the son of John and Grace, baptized in St Erth in 1820. This is not far from Gwinear, which leads us to think that is the place name. However, it could be somewhere else beginning with 'Gr...' - we may never know.
Regards,
David
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maryanne
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The last three letters look like S Y E.
I know this doesn't answer the question but sometime ago I looked for an ancester and on the census it looked like 'Thissmiss'. I eventually found that the person was born in 'Sheerness'
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jannergray
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My Gt Gt Grandfather: John Tonkin of Truro
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My money is on it being Gwinear.
The spelling could by Gwnye/r...
The IGI has plenty of Davey's at Gwinear and I think this spelling could well be interpreted differently out of the county.
Graham
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