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Hi,
I hope it's OK to ask for some help here. I don't know a great deal about my Grandfather/Grandmother's family on my dad's side, and I think he was adopted so this may complicate things.
So, any help with family details or hints would be much appreciated. What I know is:
Gordon Cole, b. 1905, d.1984 (my grandfather), and married to Ella Kate Hall who was born in 1907. They were married in 1932 and registered at Westhampnett. From when I was born until they died they lived in Chichester.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Jon.
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being born just after the 1901 census and not knowing Gordon's parents means you should:-
o Get his 1932 Marriage Cert to provide his (stated) fathers name
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o Check the 1911 census to see who he was with - he does show up on the Free Index, born c1905 in the Chichester District. You need to plug his name into the 'others present in Household' boxes (leaving the main search Name fields blank) to show who else was in the enumerated household.
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Heres the Marriage Refn in the GRO index - from this you can order online from the GRO in Southport for £7.00
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Jan-Mar Quarter 1932 - Westhampnett Vol 2b Page 753
Gordon J Cole (to Hall)
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tieing together the Free Index info, and going back to the 1901 census, we see this same group of people:-
1901 - RG13/970; Folio: 20; Page: 5 - Chichester
17, St Pancras
Alice E Cole 38 WIDOW Head Plain Needle Worker born Chichester
Lawrence H Cole 12 son Chichester
Richard Keates 7 Nurse Child born Berstead
Naomi Keates 3 Nurse Child born Westhampnett
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as there doesnt seem to be a Birth Index entry for Gordon - in Sussex or nearby - and we know from the Marriage Index his middle initial was J, I wonder if this Alice Cole fostered children .... as were the Keates in 1901 (they stayed with her until at least 1911))
.... and in Gordon's case gave him their name ?
You need to get the full Census documents from the 1911 to see what other info is provided for Gordon.
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just delving back 10 years ...... Alice E Cole ( single woman ?? ) born 1863 Chichester, was in Service as a Nurse in Cheshunt Herts.
Laurence H Cole was a Grandson in this household.
1891 - RG12/844; Folio 79; Page 18 - Portfield, in Parish of Oving, Westhampnett District
'The Chequers'
Charles Legrove 71 Head Retailer of Beer born Hants, Overton
Emma Legrove 55 Wife Lincoln
Emma Burchett 19 dau Chichester
Annie Victoria Burchett 14 do
Laurance Henry Cole* 2 Grandson Chichester
William Muatley Cole 3 do do
Hammond Edward 46 Lodger
* Births Dec 1888
COLE Lawrence Henry Westhampnett v2b p985
a couple of marriages need to be sorted out !
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Marriages Dec 1886
BURCHETT Emma West*ampoett v2b p705 to LE GROVE Charles
In 1881 Charles was with a wife Ellen :-
1881 - RG11/1119; Folio: 105; Page: 19 - East Preston, Sussex
'Workhouse Lodge'
Charles Legrove 61 Head Porter of Workhouse born Hants, Overton
Ellen Legrove 58 Wife Crusheene Ireland
George Russell 40 'Casual' born Yorks
James Law 66 do Scotland
John Scott 39 do Ireland
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Heres Emma Legrove in her former marriage as a Burchett (note daughters names match 1891)
also note dau Alice E born c1863 - deffo explains the Cole Grandsons in 1891
1881 - RG11/1126; Folio: 93; Page: 30 - Oving, Sussex
97, Oving Road
Henry Burchett 56 Head Beer House Keeper Hants, Basingstoke
Emma Burchett 46 Wife Leicestershire Nimcote
Priscilla Burchett 22 dau Lancs Salford
Alice E. Burchett 18 dau Chichester
Rosetta Burchett 12 dau do
Thomas Burchett 11 son do
Emma Burchett 9 dau do
Annie Vicia. Burchett 4 dau do
Candidate for Henry & Emmas marriage - pre birth of eldest girl Priscilla...
Marriages Jun 1858
Burchett Henry Daventry v3b p166 to Joyce Emma
dont take this for gospel (altho it is the only marriage of a Burchett to an Emma in the right period) - but no sign of a Leicestershire-born Emma Joyce in 1851 so far
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Marriages Sep 1886
BURCHETT Alice Elizabeth Alverstoke vol 2b page 876 to Cole Arthur George
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Hi (especially to PastMaster!),
Thank you so much for such a quick and helpful response, I'm genuinely blown away by the level of help. I'll take a look at everything and see how it fits with what I've got and also look into the birth certificate.
If anyone can help with Ella Kate Hall's family (my grandmother) who married Gordon Cole that would be great too. I know she had a sister Florence and a sister Margaret but beyond that I know very little.
Thanks again.
JOn.
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Hallo again Jon,
You can take the exact same approach with Ella Kate - luckily both her names apppear in the 1911 Census Free Index, and using the free index search features we can see that she had an older sister Florence Emily born c1905.
As I am not allowed to transcribe what I see in the 1911, heres the marriage of her parents:-
Marriages Dec 1902
Hall Thomas Walter Chichester vol 2b page 933 to Woods Elizabeth Suter
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even tho I have his YoB from the census, I cant see Thomas Walter Hall in the area in 1901 - it may well be that he stayed in Chichester after marriage - probably need the full detail from the 1911 (PoB, occupation, etc) and/or the Marriage Cert.
Altho its good odds this is him, and he's either mistranscribed or not in the area in 1901 ..
Births Jun 1877
Hall Thomas Walter Chichester 2b 365
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This lad matches the Birth Index info:-
1881 - RG11/1128; Folio: 115; Page: 23 - Chichester, SubDeanery
4, Orchard Terrace
Richard Hall 51 Head Army ~~~* & Publican born Brighton
Ellen Hall 40 Wife born Chichester
Annie J. Hall 13 dau do
Elizabeth Hall 11 dau do
Charles B. Hall 9 son do
Benjamin Hall 5 son do
Thomas W. Hall 3 son do
Ernest A. Hall son do
Annie Triggs** 15 Servant
Wilfred Swaine 34 Boarder
* might be 'Capn' ..... really not sure ..
Intrigued by Father Richards 'occupation' - I'll try and find the family in earlier and later census
** see later info ...
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ah - found Widowed Mum Ellen in 1901, and Thomas is indeed mistranscribed ... (Rall)
1901 - RG13/969; Folio: 95; Page: 12 - Chichester
22, Adelaide Road
Ellen Hall 60 WIDOW Head Chichester
Annie Pearse 33 MARRIED Dau Chichester
Thomas Hall 23 SINGLE Son Barman Chichester
Harry Pearse 35 Son in Law Bricklayer London (Not Known)
Charles B Pearse 3 Grandson Chichester
Walter E Pearse 7 months Grandson do
Lionel E Hall 5 Grandson Surrey, Cobham
Eva Hall 3 Granddau do
Harry Lock 14 Boarder
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Well, the previous generation Halls certainly moved around - altho 1871 doesnt throw any light on the 'occupation' shown in the 1881 census ...
1871 - RG10/1118; Folio: 95; Page: 29 - Chichester, St Pancras
St Pancras Street
Richard Hall 43 Head Baker Sussex, Brighton
Ellen Hall 30 Wife Chichester
Edward Hall 18 son Baker Shoreham
Mourice Hall 14 son Baker do
Caroline Hall 12 dau CI, Jersey
William Hall 10 son Hants, Landport
Richard Hall 7 son Hants, Southsea
Annie Hall 3 dau Chichester
Ellen Hall 18 months Chichester
George Hall 6 months Chichester
maybe a Military man previously - given the kids PoBs?
and it looks from the kids ages that Ellen is a 2nd wife ?
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