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Andy in Wilts
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Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« on: Sunday 21 June 09 12:08 UTC (UK) »

Hi all,
I'm hoping that someone may have come across my Great Aunt Elsie Maud Burge b.1889 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England or some of her relations, or information about them.
She crossed into the US at Port of Winnipeg in 1914 with her destination stated as Fort Fairfield, Maine.
I have found her marriage to William H Nickerson in Fort Fairchild, 1915 and she appeared in the 1920 US census as divorced. In 1921 she married John R Dougherty in Fort Fairchild and died in 1961. She apparently had children as I have some photos of her and her grandsons Edwin and Charles.
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Many thanks
Andy
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Lisa in California
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Re: Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 June 09 12:25 UTC (UK) »

Hi Andy.  Welcome to RootsChat
Do you have access to the 1930 census?  She is listed in Fort Fairfield.

The 1920 census shows a "boarder" under her name: Ralph L.  It is assumed his last name is Nickerson.

The 1930 census (Fort Fairfield) lists her as Elsie Dougherty and under her name is Ralph Nickerson.  It also lists him as boarder.  Ralph was born in Maine, his father was born in Canada and his mother was born in England.  I will not post his date of birth, for privacy reasons.  (I can pm the date, if you do not have access to the record.)  Perhaps he is her son, or stepson?  Also, her age at first marriage is 26.
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Re: Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 June 09 12:44 UTC (UK) »

Once again, I won't post details for privacy reasons, but there is a Maine marriage record for Ralph L Nickerson; his residence was Ft Fairfield, ME.  I can pm details if you do not have access to this record.
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Re: Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 June 09 14:52 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lisa,
Thanks very much for the superfast response. It looks like you've found her. I've just got access to the 1920/30 censuses so I'll have a look. I've only recently found that she moved to the US and am still finding my way around US records.
I have noticed that there don't appear to be any birth records online. Is this to do with privacy laws in the US or are there any online records?

ps I've just realised that I listed her 2nd marriage as Fort Fairchild instead of Fort Fairfield.
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Re: Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 June 09 14:54 UTC (UK) »

The Maine Death Index has a Ralph L. Nickerson who died in Caribou on 17 Jan. 1961 at age 45.  That seems to match the age of the one in the 1920 Census.
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Re: Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 June 09 14:57 UTC (UK) »

Thanks, Lisa. I'll have to look into whether Ralph was Elsies son although the probability is that he is.
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Re: Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 June 09 18:35 UTC (UK) »

Ralph, I don't see him on the Social Security Death Index, which (I believe) either means that he never applied for a card (highly unlikely) or his wife is still receiving his benefits.  I will have a look around.
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Re: Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 June 09 19:01 UTC (UK) »

With a 1961 death, it's probably too early for him to be on there.  Apparently, 98% of the information is from 1962 and onward, because the SSA started using computers then.  http://genealogy.about.com/od/vital_records/a/ssdi.htm 

I've never heard of someone receiving benefits influencing whether information was on the SSDI. 
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Lisa in California
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Re: Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 June 09 19:10 UTC (UK) »

Hi Shelly:

I hadn't either, but my father passed away in 2004 and he is not listed on the index.  Someone on RootsChat said (suggested?) that if the spouse is still alive, the deceased's name will not appear.  Undecided
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I just looked for my father-in-law's name.  He does not appear on the index; my mother-in-law is still with us.  I think I better look into this.
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Re: Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 21 June 09 19:20 UTC (UK) »

My husband's grandfather, who died in the early 1990's, is on there, and his wife is still living.  I don't know whether she's specifically receiving benefits based on his record, but she's definitely still around and not remarried.
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Lisa in California
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Re: Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 21 June 09 19:27 UTC (UK) »

Hmmm.  I've checked several times for my father's name and he still is not listed.  Since I've never not found a name, the only reason I could come up with is because he was still a Canadian citizen???  Perhaps there was simply a paperwork error. Thank you for clearing up part of it, Shelly.
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Re: Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 21 June 09 19:35 UTC (UK) »

Andy, I mentioned earlier about a possible marriage for Ralph Nickerson.  Audrey Smith Nickerson is listed on Rootsweb.  Unfortunately, the person doing the research has thousands of names, and he doesn't appear to know too much about her family.  (He doesn't mention the Nickerson's.)
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi
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Re: Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 21 June 09 19:45 UTC (UK) »

Shelly found Caribou earlier.  Found a possible son of Ralph's; he was living in Caribou at one point.  Sending information by pm, for privacy reasons.
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Re: Relatives of Elsie Maud Burge/Nickerson/Dougherty
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 21 June 09 20:45 UTC (UK) »

Wow! what a response, I never expected so much information so quickly.
A million thanks to Lisa and Shelly for your exceptional guidance, advice, knowledge and information, and I hope that I will be able to assist you sometime.

Regards
Andy
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