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Tsu
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Ellen Rondeau 1885-1960
PALMER Charles, Ellen and Charles Jnr
« on: Monday 26 October 09 14:24 UTC (UK) »
Where did they go?

I have them in 1891
RG12    Piece:274    Folio:89    Page:22     

at 15 Butler Street Whitechapel, but after that I can find no trace.

Sharp eyes anyone?
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East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bethnal Green and Whitechapel)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
CaroleW
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Barney 1993-2005
Re: PALMER Charles, Ellen and Charles Jnr
« Reply #1 on: Monday 26 October 09 14:34 UTC (UK) »
Would you please post that 1891 entry in full on your request as it saves people having to look it up
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Tsu
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Ellen Rondeau 1885-1960
Re: PALMER Charles, Ellen and Charles Jnr
« Reply #2 on: Monday 26 October 09 14:38 UTC (UK) »
Sorry, didn't realise I was allowed to.  OK, here it is..

PALMER, Charles     Head     Single     M     23     1868      General Labourer    St Olives

PALMER, Ellen    Wife    Single    F    20    1871       Mile End New Town

PALMER, Charles    Son       M    0 (7M)    1891       Spitalfields


RG12    Piece:274    Folio:89    Page:22     
     
Registration District:
Whitechapel    Sub District:
Spitalfields    EnumerationDistrict:
10    Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christchurch
     

15, Butler Street, Spitalfields, London    
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East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bethnal Green and Whitechapel)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
CaroleW
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Barney 1993-2005
Re: PALMER Charles, Ellen and Charles Jnr
« Reply #3 on: Monday 26 October 09 14:41 UTC (UK) »
You are allowed to post your own transcriptions from the original image but are not allowed to "cut & paste" entries as that breaches copyright

That is how we answer peoples lookup requests - by our own transcription from the original image
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Tsu
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Ellen Rondeau 1885-1960
Re: PALMER Charles, Ellen and Charles Jnr
« Reply #4 on: Monday 26 October 09 14:54 UTC (UK) »
By 1901 they had three more children.  James 1895  George 1896 and Annie 1898.

I doubt they had the money to emigrate, they lived in the poorest part of Spitalfields and he was a beer bottler.

In 1898 they lived at Shepherd Street Buildings in Whitechapel.
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East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bethnal Green and Whitechapel)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
Valda
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Re: PALMER Charles, Ellen and Charles Jnr
« Reply #5 on: Monday 26 October 09 16:16 UTC (UK) »
Hi

1901 census RG13 152 folio 181
81 Carlton Road St Pancras
Charles A Palmer 38 Head Married Bottle Beer Packer Bermondsey London
Eleanor Palmer 33 Wife Married Hoxton London
Charles Palmer 10 Son Spitalfields London
Eleanor Palmer 9 Daughter Spitalfields London
George Palmer 5 Son Spitalfields London
Arthur Palmer 2 Son Spitalfields London
Martha M Palmer 3/12 Daughter Spitalfields London

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Valda
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Valda
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Re: PALMER Charles, Ellen and Charles Jnr
« Reply #6 on: Monday 26 October 09 16:41 UTC (UK) »
Hi

Christ Church, Spitalfields  22nd January 1890
Charles Alfred Palmer 21 Labourer 6 Butler Street James Palmer Cook
Ellen Jones 20 6 Butler Street George Jones Dock Labourer
by banns
Charles signed, Ellen made her mark
Witnesses E H Holt and Martha Jones


St James, Bermondsey 26th September 1869 born 6th August
Charles Alfred Palmer parents James Henry and Eliza, 1 Beatrice Road, father's occupation Cook at hotel


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Valda
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Tsu
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Ellen Rondeau 1885-1960
Re: PALMER Charles, Ellen and Charles Jnr
« Reply #7 on: Monday 26 October 09 18:01 UTC (UK) »
Valda, I take my hat off to you!  Thank you!!

Did you find them on Ancestry?  I was using FMP and could find no sign.

On the marriage cert, Martha Jones and Ernest Holt were her sister and her sister's husband.
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East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bethnal Green and Whitechapel)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
Valda
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Re: PALMER Charles, Ellen and Charles Jnr
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 27 October 09 08:20 UTC (UK) »
Hi

The 1891 census birth place fro Charles was 'St Olives' = St Olaves which is Southwark/Bermondsey so though the age differs and you seemed to imply the family were 'East Enders' throughout, that Charles stood out in an index search which was wide enough to allow for the age difference. Despite the names of the children, (I think Arthur may in reality be Annie the census enumerator has crossed out the age in the female column and inserted it into the male column) once looking at the actual entry with Charles' occupation the similarities lined the family up.

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Valda
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Tsu
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Ellen Rondeau 1885-1960
Re: PALMER Charles, Ellen and Charles Jnr
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 27 October 09 10:24 UTC (UK) »
You make it sound so easy...  Smiley

I was convinced they'd all deid in a terrible house fire or something and that was why I couldn't find them.  Roll Eyes

Thanks again.
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East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bethnal Green and Whitechapel)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
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