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Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« on: Monday 22 June 09 13:13 UTC (UK) »

I am trying to find the baptism and parents of my ancestor, Charles Clack, of Filkins Oxfordshire England. On the IGI Index his birth is recorded as 1736 but there are no sources available and so I do not know if this is correct.

I have searched the PR for Broadwell, Shilton, Alvescot and Westwell but he isn't there.

I have noticed that on several family trees from Ancestry that Samuel Clack, 1704, & Elizabeth Simpson, 1706, are recorded as the parents of Charles but unfortunately there are no sources to verify the fact. These family trees also give his birth as 1736.

If anyone has any information they could share with me I would be most grateful.
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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #1 on: Monday 22 June 09 16:06 UTC (UK) »


Hi Awayagain4,

                    This looks like the marriage of your Charles incase you dont have it Smiley

   From OFHS Kencot PRs

11 Sep 1759 Charles Clack (x) of Filkins
                     Mary Simpson (x)
              Wits .... John Stevens jnr, Richard Martin

   And the marriage underneath Charles and Mary

15 Oct 1759 Samuel Clack (x) of Bradwell
                     Elizabeth Simpson (x)
                 Wits....John Stevens, William Townsend

could find no baptisms here for Charles  Roll Eyes

            Sue

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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #2 on: Monday 22 June 09 18:17 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sue

Thanks for looking. I did have the info on their marriages and I do believe Charles & Samuel are brothers but until I find his baptism...Charles is leading me a merry dance.

Regards

Maureen
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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 20:02 UTC (UK) »

Hello ....have you tried the PR for St Peter's Church Broughton Poggs ?      I was born in Filkins and remember
the Clack family still living there in the 1940s and 1950s.   Although they lived on the Filkins side of the small
millstream which forms the parish boundary between the twin villages of Filkins and Broughton Poggs
they were much nearer to Broughton Poggs church and I would imagine the family worshipped there rather than in Filkins church.  In the 1700's Filkins was in the parish of Broadwell, but for many villagers Broughton would have been much nearer and I am sure many would have chosen to have their children baptized there.
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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 20:45 UTC (UK) »

Thank you very much. You could well be right because their son, Thomas Clack from Filkins, married Ann Lock from Broughton Poggs.

I was interested to hear that you actually knew some Clack's from Filkins in the 40s/50s. Did they still work on the land? I would love to hear about them if you could spare the time.

As luck would have it I am visiting some of the villages where my ancestors came from, including Filkins, Broughton Poggs and Kencot, for a few days next week. I don't suppose you know if any Clack's still reside in the area? I also plan to visit Clanfield, Bampton and Burford.

Thank you so much for your time. I shall certainly look for a baptism in Broughton Poggs.

Kind regards

Maureen
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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 16 July 09 06:55 UTC (UK) »

Hello Maureen

As far as I am aware there are no Clack's left in Filkins now.  However if you send me your email address
I will tell you a little more about what I remember of the family when I was a boy and maybe be able to give you a few more reference points.

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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 16 July 09 07:17 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Alan

I feel really excited. Your message has given me a new lease of life.

I am fairly new to family history research and can't get over the generosity of other researchers so willing to give their time to help others.

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Warm regards

Maureen



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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 16 July 09 08:56 UTC (UK) »

Hello Maureen,

Check out Local studies Libraries & Archives offices for advice -the staff know their parishes and records

I'm going out! so I haven't time to Edit my rough notes? so therewith Plus unedited raw*** plus type errors below

Good luck Dobby.

First check Clack family parish after a marriage to see which parish they used. Just enter Clack (NO FIRST NAME or DATE OR EVENT) Just ENGLAND Ie if Joe Bloggs married 1733 in Ping Pong town but no descending baptisms in Ping Pong but a list of born about 1734 in IGI  in Ping pong  link your Charles 1736
Look for varient spellings Klack Klark Keack Keake/ lark-lack lerk -dack deck- Clac (no K) even lac
cl >d ---c>r
Chas Cass (Cassy) Charlie also funny girls and boy names Jho -Jos>Jas -Cas -Kath(Cath) Karl and so on
check nonconfomist regs
CHARLES CLEAK
Christening 01 JUL 1739 Saint Clement Danes, Westminster, London, England
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Marriages and sibling patterns
CHAS CLACK
Marriage 1737 Magdalen Coll, Oxford, Oxford, England -----------Check out siblings
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Marriages and sibling patterns of no recorded bapts
Joseph Clack 
  About 1725 Of, Clanfield, Oxford, England ---------------check out for other ABOUT bapt as may show a patten of family siblings not baptised by parents
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Achives office if your live near of have access
Overseers had baptism lists in the poorlaw (Poor people living ing the village but not in the workhouse on overseers relief money) and Workhouses. Also read Settlement/Removal/Examination/Migration cross raish passes-Land tax-window tax-Tithes/Tides cotts/rent as rate payed to the overseers for poor relief payment books And more............................more>

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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 16 July 09 16:32 UTC (UK) »

Hello again Maureen

I have tried to send you a private message but I think I haven't been a member long enough and it will not allow me to!    Could you private message me with your email address?

Alan
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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #9 on: Friday 17 July 09 06:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi Maureen

I would look at this in the parish register with view to location and main road county boundries.
Its not that far way. Whittlebury south Northamptonshire on Oxen border in considertion to the lack of Clack uncommon name and  being mistaken as Clark or the hand writting bad
on the r in letter joining lines (Curve down from tip of the c r the the letter k) clack >CLa/ck the / makes /c look like r
(hard to explain in TYPE)

 CHARLES CLARKE Christening: 26 SEP 1737 Whittlebury, Northampton, England

Clack or Clark miss herd by parish clerk

There appears to be No marriage for a Charles(Chas) Clark 1767 +/- 10 year  around Wittlebury of Northampton
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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #10 on: Friday 17 July 09 08:24 UTC (UK) »

Charles may have been baptised over the border of Oxford in another county - if he was baptised at all.

It has been sugested by someone who knew the Clack's from Filkins in the 1940s that Broughton Poggs might be worth looking at as the Clack's he knew lived closer to the church in Broughton than the one in Filkins. I also know that Thomas, son of Charles and Mary, married Ann Lock in Broughton Poggs. Ann came from that village. That leads me to another line of enquiry.

You may be right about Northampton being worth a look at but one thing I do know is that the marriage for Charles and Mary took place at Kencot, by licence, in 1759. That is well recorded.

Regards

Maureen
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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #11 on: Friday 17 July 09 11:26 UTC (UK) »

Marriage Licence by Allegation bond do give the age- his parish and other info

Up here in Yorkshire/Lancashire the bond marriage licences are held at the county records offices! so it back to the search engine or phone oxford records office to advice on.

Dobby
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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #12 on: Friday 17 July 09 12:17 UTC (UK) »

Will do. Thanks again.
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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #13 on: Friday 17 July 09 13:49 UTC (UK) »

Charles may have been baptised over the border of Oxford in another county - if he was baptised at all.

It has been sugested by someone who knew the Clack's from Filkins in the 1940s that Broughton Poggs might be worth looking at as the Clack's he knew lived closer to the church in Broughton than the one in Filkins. I also know that Thomas, son of Charles and Mary, married Ann Lock in Broughton Poggs. Ann came from that village. That leads me to another line of enquiry.

You may be right about Northampton being worth a look at but one thing I do know is that the marriage for Charles and Mary took place at Kencot, by licence, in 1759. That is well recorded.

Regards

Maureen

Hi M

Last thing Local village grave yard 1784 Charles maybe there and daddy? but the local studies libary nearest! may hold Memorial epitaph/inscriptions or Family history society
also dedication.

I'm off to Warwick myself on my own ancestry Monday.

Keep asking and nattering offine (archive/libraries staff and FHS staff write or email them)
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Re: Parents of Charles Clack Filkins
« Reply #14 on: Friday 17 July 09 16:19 UTC (UK) »

Hi D

Thanks for the tip and thank you for all your time. Good hunting next week.

regards

Maureen
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