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Topic: Reddick, Warks or Redditch, Worcs?? (Read 405 times)
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nicknock
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Can anyone please help me? 
I have an ancestor, John Hollis, living in Bramley and Shipley in Yorkshire for all censuses from 1841 through to 1871.
Based on this info, he was born circa 1804 but I can't work out where.
In 1841, it states 'not Yorkshire'
In 1851, it states Warwickshire.
In 1861, Reddick, Warwickshire.
In 1871, Bramley, Yorkshire.
I'm leaning towards the Warwickshire option BUT I can't find anywhere called Reddick. I've wondered whether he may have meant Redditch which of course is in Worcestershire, but I believe on the border of the two.
Could anyone familiar with the area tell me if the border may have moved, or whether he could have been born in some place within Redditch that crept over the border, or if he may have made a mistake. Or is there a place called Reddick within Warwickshire....?
Hoping to hear from someone!
Nicola
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Robertson: Bute/Greenock/Stepney/Liverpool
Lamont: Bute/Argyll
Clough: Howden, Yorkshire
Carter: Howden and Knottingley,Yorkshire/Eccleshall, Staffs
Firth: Sheffield
Fowler: Sheffield
Quipp: Lincoln
Metcalf: Barnard Castle/Lincoln
Liddiard: Leicester/West London
Proudlock: Northumberland/CoDurham/Mauritius/Derby
Heywood: Derby
Vann: Wigston Magna, Leicester
Greatorex: Macclesfield/Nottingham
Hollis: Bradford/Lincoln/Redditch/High Wycombe
Walkerdine: Derbyshire/Staffordshire
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Nemo
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Hi Nicola
The genuki gazetteer webpage
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places?WOR,SP040670,5,Redditch
shows place in Warwickshire and Worcestershire which are near to Redditch.
I shall be going to the Family History Centre in Worcester sometime in the next week and will check John Hollis baptism on 1 May 1803 at Redditch to see if there is mention of the parent’s home village - hopefully in Warwickshire, for example Ipsley. Redditch was Ipsley’s post town in the 1868 gazetteer, which might explain "Reddick Warwickshire" See
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WAR/Ipsley/
Regards
Nemo
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j t smith
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi There was a John Hallis baptised in Redditch in 1803 father William and mother mary, it proberly was a miss spelling for Redditch
J.T.
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j t smith
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Sorry miss spelt myself should have been Hollis.
J.T
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Yegvard
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Hi Nicola,
Just popping over from Worcestershire. I concur with Nemo regarding the date and place. Check it out yourself on the IGI. However, if you do a surname only search for HOLLIS, and variants, in Worcestershire, there are buckets of them, especially locally Alvechurch, Whythall and Feckenham. (Sometimes the locals disagreed with the government as to where the boundary was!) ( And the IGI wasn't always complete in Worcestershire.) And the boundaries moved as well, including for registration/census reasons. This increases the chances of error.
I suggest, if the 1803 chap looks about right, that you see if you can still find him locally in later censuses, thus helping to prove that he moved away. Then see if you can find a will for his parents, which might indicate that he moved to Yorkshire.
Good hunting
Mike
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HANDS, HANDES, HANNS, HANNES, HANNE, HANNON (Yardley to Bromsgrove)
MIL(L)WARD, COTTERIL, CLULEE, IZOD, HASSALL, TODD, STRATTON, JAKEMAN, JENNINGS, MOLE, ALLCOCK north Worcestershire
WATERS, Thurzo, Sutherland> Bishopswearmouth, Durham
GARDNER, Solihull; TOLLEY Birmingham, Warkickshire
HUMPHRIES, Meifod, Montgomeryshire>Bilston, Staffordshire> Manchester & Texas and Kansas, USA
JAKENS, BIRD, CRAPPER Bury, HIGGINBOTHAM, HORRIDGE, Lancashire
LEO, Galway/Tipperary, Ireland
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nicknock
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Hello all, and thankyou very much for your replies.
I have checked out those Genuki pages and those, backed up with what you all say, seem to confirm what I thought – that he could have been born in the Redditch area, yet still in Warwickshire.
If you get a chance to check that 1803 baptism, Nemo, that would be fantastic. I had spotted that entry in the IGI and wondered about it.
Mike, I can't find an obvious match for a John Hollis b.ca. 1803 in local Warwickshire censuses, although some might say mine isn't that obvious with all his later claims to be born in Yorkshire.
I have now found him in 1881, where he states his place of birth was Fearnley Bank, Yorkshire, and then in 1891, where he gives it as Shipley, Yorkshire. So, basically, none of the censuses give the same place of birth, although all the Yorkshire places seem to be roughly in the same area.
Would you agree with my thought that Warwickshire seems to be the best lead, rather than Yorkshire? As he got older perhaps Warwickshire seemed less and less important....? Can't see why he would have mentioned it in the first place if he didn't have reason to!
Anyway, thankyou again everyone for your interest.
Nicola
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Robertson: Bute/Greenock/Stepney/Liverpool
Lamont: Bute/Argyll
Clough: Howden, Yorkshire
Carter: Howden and Knottingley,Yorkshire/Eccleshall, Staffs
Firth: Sheffield
Fowler: Sheffield
Quipp: Lincoln
Metcalf: Barnard Castle/Lincoln
Liddiard: Leicester/West London
Proudlock: Northumberland/CoDurham/Mauritius/Derby
Heywood: Derby
Vann: Wigston Magna, Leicester
Greatorex: Macclesfield/Nottingham
Hollis: Bradford/Lincoln/Redditch/High Wycombe
Walkerdine: Derbyshire/Staffordshire
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Yegvard
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Nicola,
Further, thoughts. Check out if there was baptism in Fearnley Bank/Shipley. Next, where did he get married? Where was his wife born? Can the witnesses be tired to one area.
Take the place of Ipsley as an example. Go to GoogleMaps http://maps.google.co.uk/ then type in Ipsley You should see a pin head for Ipsley. Zoom out one click and it will become blindingly obvious how close Redditch is. (Even allowing for the growth of the town.) If you use Ancestry try the 1851 census. Do not enter a surname, but enter Ipsley as the place of birth. People appear to be in two counties at the same time!
I don't know how bright your John HOLLIS was, but I find it very confusing at times. All this is the diocese of Worcester, for wills. When registration came along Redditch came under Bromsgrove. I'm not sure about Ipsley, but it may have been Alcester.
Your last point makes a lot of sense. How would someone from Yorkshire know of Redditch, unless they knew of the needle trade, of course.
For information BMSGH http://www.bmsgh.org/ have a County Burial Index for both counties and there is also a County Marriage Index again for both counties.
Cheers
Mike
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HANDS, HANDES, HANNS, HANNES, HANNE, HANNON (Yardley to Bromsgrove)
MIL(L)WARD, COTTERIL, CLULEE, IZOD, HASSALL, TODD, STRATTON, JAKEMAN, JENNINGS, MOLE, ALLCOCK north Worcestershire
WATERS, Thurzo, Sutherland> Bishopswearmouth, Durham
GARDNER, Solihull; TOLLEY Birmingham, Warkickshire
HUMPHRIES, Meifod, Montgomeryshire>Bilston, Staffordshire> Manchester & Texas and Kansas, USA
JAKENS, BIRD, CRAPPER Bury, HIGGINBOTHAM, HORRIDGE, Lancashire
LEO, Galway/Tipperary, Ireland
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nicknock
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Mike, thanks very much for the suggestions. See what you mean about Ipsley being close to Redditch...
He was married in Yorkshire in the 1830s, and his wife was born there. I have the IGI reference, and I think you're right, it may be worth chasing that avenue.
But first I'll wait to see if Nemo (ever so kindly) has a chance to check out that 1803 baptism in Redditch and I'll take it from there. If it turns out to be a blind alley I'll turn my attention to Shipley, Bramley etc – but until further developments, my instinct says stick with Redditch for his birth! Fingers crossed!
Cheers for now
Nicola
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Robertson: Bute/Greenock/Stepney/Liverpool
Lamont: Bute/Argyll
Clough: Howden, Yorkshire
Carter: Howden and Knottingley,Yorkshire/Eccleshall, Staffs
Firth: Sheffield
Fowler: Sheffield
Quipp: Lincoln
Metcalf: Barnard Castle/Lincoln
Liddiard: Leicester/West London
Proudlock: Northumberland/CoDurham/Mauritius/Derby
Heywood: Derby
Vann: Wigston Magna, Leicester
Greatorex: Macclesfield/Nottingham
Hollis: Bradford/Lincoln/Redditch/High Wycombe
Walkerdine: Derbyshire/Staffordshire
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Nemo
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Hi Nicola
Checked the John Hollis baptism in Redditch in 1803. Result very disappointing, the entry just shows the parents names, no mention of where they lived.
I also checked the Index to Marriages in the Diocese of Worcester. No sign of William Hollis and Mary’s marriage AND William Hollis didn’t leave a will where the probate was granted in the Worcester Diocese!
Regards
Nemo
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Yegvard
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Nicola,
One further thought. Where were the Redditch parents in 1841/1851 - Yorkshire or Redditch.
Use the Hugh Wallis Site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm to look for John's (Redditch) sibling's as well.
Might give to a few answers.
Mike
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HANDS, HANDES, HANNS, HANNES, HANNE, HANNON (Yardley to Bromsgrove)
MIL(L)WARD, COTTERIL, CLULEE, IZOD, HASSALL, TODD, STRATTON, JAKEMAN, JENNINGS, MOLE, ALLCOCK north Worcestershire
WATERS, Thurzo, Sutherland> Bishopswearmouth, Durham
GARDNER, Solihull; TOLLEY Birmingham, Warkickshire
HUMPHRIES, Meifod, Montgomeryshire>Bilston, Staffordshire> Manchester & Texas and Kansas, USA
JAKENS, BIRD, CRAPPER Bury, HIGGINBOTHAM, HORRIDGE, Lancashire
LEO, Galway/Tipperary, Ireland
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nicknock
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Hi Mike
I've already looked for John's siblings – there were a couple of girls born to a William Hollis, mother un-named, in a place called Farnley by Leeds, Yorks (not the same place as Farnley/Fearnley Bank, I don't think) in 1794 and 1796, but can't find anything else. And I've had a cursory look for William and Mary Hollis in 1841 and 1851 and haven't so far found anything that looks probable....
I've checked the IGI for baptisms in Bramley, Bradford, Shipley, Farnley and Guiseley (where John married) and I've come up with diddly squat so far! And I've checked the IGI for marriages of a William and Mary anywhere, and any likely baptisms for a William – nothing's hitting me over the head as being likely or even possible.
I have found a transcription of Guiseley marriage records through Genuki, and it tells me John Hollis was 'of Horsforth' (Leeds area, not far from Bramley), which I'll investigate. There is also a Mary Hollis marrying two years earlier, also of Horsforth – I shall see if if I can find her in the 1841/51 censuses and IF she was born in Warwickshire then perhaps I've found a sister!
Onwards and upwards. And I've said it before – but thankyou very much for your interest!
Cheers, Nicola
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Robertson: Bute/Greenock/Stepney/Liverpool
Lamont: Bute/Argyll
Clough: Howden, Yorkshire
Carter: Howden and Knottingley,Yorkshire/Eccleshall, Staffs
Firth: Sheffield
Fowler: Sheffield
Quipp: Lincoln
Metcalf: Barnard Castle/Lincoln
Liddiard: Leicester/West London
Proudlock: Northumberland/CoDurham/Mauritius/Derby
Heywood: Derby
Vann: Wigston Magna, Leicester
Greatorex: Macclesfield/Nottingham
Hollis: Bradford/Lincoln/Redditch/High Wycombe
Walkerdine: Derbyshire/Staffordshire
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Nemo
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Hi Nicola
You asked me where John Hollis's baptism took place, it was at Redditch, St George's the only C of E church at Redditch at that time, St George's was rebuilt in the mid 19th century.
Glad to hear that you have made a breakthrough re William and Mary Hollis!
Good Luck
Nemo
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