CaroleW
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Found Thomas and Catherine in 1881 indexed as Irving living with grandmother Agnes Irving in Cumberland
There are also 9yr old twins George & Richard Irving both b Scotland also with Agnes
No sign of a Susannah Irving or Atkinson
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Ruskie
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1861 Mosser Mains Mosser Cumberland James Atkinson head mar 48 ag lab b Cumberland Bostel(?) Susannah wife 33 b Cumberland Stableton Bryan son 8 Lancs L'pool Jane daur 6 do Ellen daur 5 Cumberland Mosser john son 2 Elizabeth daur 7 mo do RG9/3934/85/4
So looks like your Bryan's parents are James and Susannah. You can trace their movements via the children's birth places. 
Umm Carole - that 1881 is interesting ...
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CaroleW
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Marriages June qtr 1905 Wigton 10B 1107
Susannah Atkinson James Greggains
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CaroleW
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If Susannah was b 1883 Westward Cumberland - she may be the one with Henry & Susannah Holmes in 1891 - shown as niece
The Greggains were still in Wigton in 1911
James b 1879 Susannah b 1883 Josephine 1906 Martha 1910
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Ruskie
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1861 Hollee Village Kirkpatrick Fleming Dumfriesshire
Richard Irving 36 b Dornock miller Agnes wife 43 b Annan Jane 12 b Dornock Isabella 10 Dornock Agnes 10 (twins?) Dornock Margaret 8 Dornock Josephina 4 b K. Fleming Mary 6 mo K Fleming (all Dumfriesshire)
Josephina's parents appear to be Richard and Agnes.
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Ruskie
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Bit disappinting he's not with parents: 1841 Outhouse Dornock John Charlton 25 Miller J Richard Irving 15 Miller ap
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Ruskie
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A submitted record on the IGI gives this marriage: Richard Irving and Agnes Bell 12 Dec 1845 Annan There are a couple of other Richard/Agnes marriages in the right time frame in Dumfriesshire, but this is the only one in Annan. However further investigation is required.
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Ruskie
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Back to James and Susannah ... Does this make sense?
1851 Hornley St 6 House Liverpool
James Atkinson head wid 38 railway lab b Cumberland Susana Rowel sister in law unmar 24 house servt b Cumberland Sarah Albert visitor unmar 20 dressmaker b Worcestershire HO107/2177/445/21

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Ruskie
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I wonder if this is the same James in 1841? Note the first name, most likely his father.
1841 How (?) Blind Bothel Cumberland
Bryan Atkinson 59 farmer Y Jane Atkinson 60 Y James 25 ag lab Hannah Carlisle 20 FS Y John Atkinson 15 MS Y HO107/155/4/2
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Ruskie
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And a possible marriage for Bryan and Jane (note surname of this Jane): (IGI extracted) Brian Atkinson = Jane Carlisle 2 Jun 1805 Brigham Cumberland
Fits in nicely but obviously will need checking and backing up with purchase of certificates etc.
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gcbidlake
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Thank you all very much for all the great input, especially since I started you out confused with the multiple mis-spellings of Bryan! What a great treat to wake up this morning with all of this new information and leads to process. I will have to put all together to see where to go next. James and Susannah went on to have nine children and the family will be having a reunion in Saskatchewan in August of 2010 with over 120 expected to attend. They will be very pleased to learn of the new generations that you've added to their family tree. What does "IGI extracted" mean?
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gcbidlake
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Could Susannah b. ca. 1828-1830, been married three times? In 1861 she and James Atkinson were the parents of Bryan. In 1881 Bryan is the son of John and Susannah ?elton (what is that first letter?) and in 1891 Bryan's daughter Susannah is living with Henry and Susannah Holmes. Also where was 5 year old Ben Atkinson living in 1901? Who was the mother of Josephina b.ca. 1900? Sorry to be a pest but you all have been so helpful it just leads to more questions.
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gcbidlake
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Perfect, thank you for the proper interpretation. That makes more sense. Ruskie, in your answer re the 1841 census: what do the letters Y, FS and MS mean? and you mentioned Scotland's People earlier and getting a credit. What is the link for that? CaroleW, in your 1901 reference you had Forest Road after Catherine's name, was that their residence? Thank you again for all of your help. This is being most interesting
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