RebeccaNZ
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Hi,
I am having some trouble finding my g,g,g grandfather William Shaw.
The only details I have are from 1881 census and marriage certificate to Alice Louisa Rumbol in 1881 - They married 12 July 1881 in Chelsea, Middlesex.
William Shaw aged 24, place of birth Lanark, father William Shaw (deceased), labourer.
In 1881 census he was a soldier living at Chelsea Barracks in Scot's Guard.
So, far I can't really find him in other census'. In 1861 census there is a William Shaw aged 3 living with his granparents - William and Agnes Lightbody - in Carluke. I was wondering if this could be him because of a family story about being related to the Lightbody family somewhere in our ancestry.
If anyone has any information or might be able to help I would really appreciate it.
Rebecca 
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sancti
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Have you checked out this one on SP? It is the closest to Lanark between 1856-1858
1857 SHAW WILLIAM Male at NEW MONKLAND LANDWARD /LANARK
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RebeccaNZ
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thankyou
I think that I have looked at that one on LDS website. I can't remember if his father's name was William or not.
I'll go and have another look.
edited to add - on LDS
William Shaw b. 1857, New Monkland - father is David Shaw.
There is a William Lightbody b. Carluke, July 1857 to mother Margaret Lightbody and no mention of father. I am wondering if he was born out of wedlock. I think that this is the William L Shaw living with his grandparents William and Agnes Lightbody in 1861 census?
It's so confusing.
Other than that there is a likely candidate from 1855 b. Anderston, Glasgow to parents William Shaw and Marion Ferguson. And a William George Shaw b. 1858 in Anderston again to William Shaw and Agnes Miller.
If anyone might know of any Lightbody/Shaw connection please let me know
Rebecca
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Gadget
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Hi
In 1851, William and Agnes Lightbody, living in Carluke, have a 13 year old daughter, Margret/Margaret Lightbody, with them. She's down as born Carluke. Could this be his mother?
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MonicaLesl
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I think you might be spot on Gadget
WILLIAM LIGHTBODY Birth: 20 JUL 1857 Carluke
Mother: MARGARET LIGHTBODY
Monica
Added: Rebecca, this is the birth you referred to earlier 
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RebeccaNZ
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Thanks,
I'm not subscribed to Scotland's People but my aunt is so she is going to have a look at the records for me.
Yes, William Lightbody must be the William Shaw from 1861 census.
Does anyone know if a child is born out of welock they use their mother's last name or their fathers?
Rebecca
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Gadget
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Hi Rebecca
I've seen cases where either surname has been used. Sometimes a person will use one for a few years and then adopt the other one. However, the majority of 19th century illegitimate children in Scotland seem to have been given their father's surname when the father was known.
A while back, I saw a census listing of a woman and her children. Nearly every child had a different surname; obviously that of the putative father.
People could and still can use any names that they wish.
Gadget
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sancti
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I can't see a post 1855 marriage for William Shaw to Margaret Lightbody.
Has Margaret been found on the 1861 census?
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RebeccaNZ
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Hi,
I did a quick search on ancestry for Margaret 1861
this could possibly be her although details are a little off.
Margaret Lightbody, 20, b. Glasgow Lanarkshire, living in Glasgow Barony. Servant with Wilson Family.
I have just realized that there are two Lightbody families with William and Agnes as parents living around the same area.
So here is the details from 1861 census for the family that I am looking for.
Carluke 1861
William Lightbody b abt. 1812, Carnwarth Lanark. (occupation, drainer)
Agnes Lightbody b abt. 1816 Dalserf, Lanark.
William L Shaw (grandson) b. abt 1858, Carluke, Lanark.
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Gadget
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Hi Rebecca
The Lightbody family that I found in 1851 with daughter, Margret, fits your 1861 entry:
1851
Carluke, LKS
Lightbody
William, 38, limestone miner, b. Carnwath
Agnes, 34, b. Dalserf
Margret, 13, b. Carluke
and other children
Gadget
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Is William still with the Lightbody family in 1871 census?
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Gadget
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They don't seem to be around in 1871, sancti.
I had a quick look. If you can find them, it would be a useful contribution
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There is a 14yr old William Shaw (born Lanark) who is a Stable Boy at Fullwood in Lanark.
The farmer is 67 yr old William Ingles
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RebeccaNZ
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Thanks for all your help
Yes, it could possibly be him working as a stable boy. In 1881 census - when living at Chelsea Barracks his occupation is Rock Splitter so I imagine he did labouring jobs.
I can't find the family living together in 1871 census.
This could be them 1871
Dalserf, Lanarkshire
William Lightbody b. Dalserf Lanarkshire, 66, Cotton Weaver
Augness Lightbody b. Dalserf Lanarkshire, 53, Tambourrer.
Margret Lightbody b. Dalserf Lanarkshire, 14 (daughter). Cotton Weaver
Augness Lightbody b. Dalserf Lanarkshire, 9 (daughter).
They must have had children later on in life with Augness being 53 with a 14 and 9 year old daughters. Perhaps they are grandchildren too?
Apart from that they don't seem to be around or at least William Shaw not living with them.
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Gadget
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Hi again
I saw that family in the 1871, Rebecca, but traced them back on the 1861 and they're still there so they are different families.
I'll check later for any deaths around then unless someone else can do that. I'm off now until late afternoon.
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