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Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« on: Tuesday 23 June 09 12:35 UTC (UK) »

I have traced my paternal Gauntlett line back but hit a wall. They are all living in Portsmouth, Hampshire so far which has made life easier, along with a surname that isn't too common.

I have a wedding certificate for John Gauntlett and Jane Callard on 9th August 1837. The age collumn says "Full Age" but from the census returns I can see that he was born around 1815/16.

Obviously there are no birth records and the wedding certificate says his father was anothe John Gauntlett, with an occupation of Victualler.

How do I find records about this John? I don't know when he was born, can't seem to find him on Census records and there are, I think, three possible death certificates (Mar 1851, Dec 1854 and Dec 1865) so I'm not sure which one to order or whether they will actually give me any details of date of birth etc      Huh
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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 12:45 UTC (UK) »

Hi sgauntlett,
welcome to rootschat.
I have just quickly gone a looking into the IGI records,
www.familysearch.org
I found a John Gauntlett.
Parents John Gauntlett and Lucy.
Christened 28 th June 1816.
Saint Mary,s
Portsea.
Hampshire.
would this be your man!
Kind regards,Billy.
PS,
If it is I also think I have found 9 siblings all of Portsea.
John Gauntlett married Jane Callard
9th Aug 1837.
St.Marys,
Portsea,Hampshire.
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BINNING= Bathgate
MILLER=Kilsyth
BLACK, MCINTYRE=Ise of Lismore
DONALD=Enzie
LYMBURNER=Denny
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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 12:54 UTC (UK) »

Hi Billy,
Thanks, that could well be them...I see the entry and had looked here some years ago. There isn't much other info on the webpage, is there more detail in the actual Christening records somewhere? I'd like to link the occupation I have from the Marriage Certificate to confirm it really is them.

Do you know how comprehensive that site is? If there are only two John Gauntlett's in England (one in Wiltshire) Christened that year, how confident can I be (or is it more speculation before 1837)??
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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 12:58 UTC (UK) »

you always have to take what you get on the IGI with a pinch of salt, though I think it is a good chance he is your man.
If you type in the parents name you should get a list of 12 entries(8 children)
Kind regards,Billy.
ps he married Jane Callard at saint Mary,s Portsea so I recon this is him.
pps, It was normal for the child to be christened within 4 weeks of birth so you can work out the d.o.b around 4 weeks before christening.
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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:03 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Billy, most helpful. I will pursue the Gauntlett line through the IGI and see where it takes me.

I'm hoping to link up with a branch that filters down to the famous composer of Once in Royal David's City (Henry John Gauntlett) but not luck so far!

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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:11 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Billy, most helpful. I will pursue the Gauntlett line through the IGI and see where it takes me.

I'm hoping to link up with a branch that filters down to the famous composer of Once in Royal David's City (Henry John Gauntlett) but not luck so far!

 Grin
Have you downloaded the siblings of your John Gauntlett.
He had a brother called Henry Gauntlett christened  12 th July 1833.
St mary,s Portsea.
When was the Composer Henry John Gauntlett born,
Billy.
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LYMBURNER=Denny
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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:15 UTC (UK) »

Henry John was born in 1805 so I suspect I have to go back further and then across! Also, he's born in Shropshire so probably this is a long shot!

http://www.cyberhymnal.org/bio/g/a/u/gauntlett_hj.htm

Many thanks for your help though. Gauntlett is not a common name so it's quite a fun challenge to link all them together - a kind of one-name study if you will!
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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:16 UTC (UK) »

Marriage;

John GAUNTLETT
Lucy COWDREY
04 February 1813, St Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

Extracted record so pretty reliable Wink

Cheers,
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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:23 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Trish, I'll pursue that line of investigation further.
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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:27 UTC (UK) »

Hi sgauntlett,
no problem,
I am on Melbourne time and it is almost the witching hour!
so will check out the thread tomorrow,
good luck.
cheers,Billy.
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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 20:40 UTC (UK) »

If you type in the parents name you should get a list of 12 entries(8 children)

Billy or anyone else reading...
How do you search with just parents names on family search? When I try it asks me for first names as well as last an I don't know what the names of the children are.

I have also found a John Gauntlett born 1795 and christened 1808 in the same parish. Any way to prove this or do i have to guess the dates are about right? This would take me to a William and Mary... great progress for one day...if it's right.

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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 21:01 UTC (UK) »

Hi Simon

Welcome to Rootschat Cheesy

Don't put anything in the left-hand boxes, just enter the father's full-name and mother's first-name.

With a fairly unusual name and a family who were kind enough to stay put you are probably on the right track. The original parish records may give occupations which can help and if you can find a will this can also be helpful in confirming things. Anything really to check and double-check.

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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 21:16 UTC (UK) »

I would be a bit careful given there is another John Gauntlett in Portsea born c1813. However given your John has a child Lucy that does add extra weight to you having found the right one.

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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 21:18 UTC (UK) »

There are lots of Gauntletts in Hampshire.

The original parish register baptism entry would give John's father's occupation in 1816.  You could order the film from the LDS to view at one of their Family History Centres.

Or, since you are in London, you could go along to the Society of Genealogists library and for a day search fee, look at the microfiche of the registers there.  But I warn you there are a lot of them  Smiley

In the mean time, it does look likely that John who married Jane was baptised in 1816.

I can confirm the baptism of the other John Gauntlett in 1808, born in 1795, from a transcript.  At that date there are no occupations included in the register.

William and Mary had the following children baptised in Gosport:
James 2 Aug 1799
William 29 Dec 1805
Ann 9 Dec 1807                                                
Ann 2 Jun 1809                                            
James  14 Feb 1812
These were baptised in Portsea:
John bn 23 Jan 1795 bapt 7 Oct 1808
Nancy  19 Sep 1802                                            
William bn 26 Dec 1796  bapt 7 Oct 1808                                      

And William 17 Feb 1793,  at St Thomas Portsmouth

But this could be two different Williams  Undecided

William Gauntlett married Mary Joliffe 29 August 1791 Portsea
William Gauntlett married Mary Stoye 2 March 1805 Portsea.
There is no indication that the second was a widower.  And there is no burial of a Mary Gauntlett that would fit the widower scenario.  So two couples.

A William Gauntlett, victualler of Portsea, left a will, proved in 1796, copy available at Winchester.  This looking promising.  He was buried in Portsea 8 Apr 1794.

John and Lucy Gauntlett had the following children:
Lucy 16 Nov 1813
John 28 Jun 1816
Ann  11 Dec 1818                                          
Elizabeth 13 May 1821  buried 8 Jun 1823                                    
William 21 Jan 1825
Eliza  19 Jan 1827                                        
Mary Ann 12 Apr 1829
Thomas Henry 9 Dec 1831  
Henry 12 Jul 1833
George 7 Aug 1835                                        

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Re: Pre-1837 brick wall.....help please?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 22:00 UTC (UK) »

Wow Nell, that's amazing, thank you so much!  Grin

It'll take me a while to take all that in but the occupation and location look like they fit so I guess probability is on my side!

I'm so pleased I decided to post on here! Thanks,

Simon
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