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Topic: Can't Find Mary Elizabeth BOULTON / WHITEHEAD on census (Manchester) (Read 235 times)
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Rowan Tree
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Posts: 179
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi All,
I have the following marriage in my tree:
23/01/1905
St. Aloysuis R.C., Ardwick, Manchester
Groom: Valentine Moore - 42 - Widower
Bride: Mary Elizabeth Whitehead - 47 - Widow - No Profession - 38 Gibson Street, Ardwick - Father: James Boulton (deceased), Hardware Dealer
I'm trying to find Mary Elizabeth on any census and I'd also like to track down her first marriage but I'm getting no-where. Mary Elizabeth Boulton/Whitehead/Moore is turning into my brickwall.
Does anyone think they could turn Mary Elizabeth up on any census or have any suggestions for her marriage before Valentine Moore?
I have Valentine and Mary Elizabeth on the 1911 census as follows:
14 Cherryton Street, Chorlton-upon-Medlock, Manchester
Mary E. Moore - age 56 - born Manchester.
Many thanks for reading. Best Wishes, Rowan Tree 
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COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER - Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL - Germany
FORSHAW - Haydock, LAN
HARRISON - Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
IRONMONGER - BDF
JACKSON - Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
KELLY - Dun Laoghaire
LONGBOTTAM, NAYLOR, NICHOLSON & PARKINSON - LAN
MADDOCKS - WLS, CHS & LAN
MOORE - IRL & LAN
ROSCOE - Sutton/Prescot, LAN
TITTLE & TOLLETT - CHS & LAN
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CaroleW
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Barney 1993-2005
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The first problem is her birthyear
Aged 47 in 1905 gives a birthyear 1857/58
Aged 56 in 1911 gives a birthyear 1854/55
There are 2 other problems I can see:
Was she being truthful in 1911 and was she really 56 or possibly older (Valentime was a lot younger)
Had she been married more than once before? If so - you are not looking for a Boulton/Whitehead marriage. You would be looking for a Boulton to A N Other marriage and then A N other to Whitehead
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Rowan Tree
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Posts: 179
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Carole - Thanks for your post
You're right about Mary Elizabeth's birth year being a problem. Going off her marriage cert. we've got a birth year of 1854/55 and going off the 1911 census we've got a birth year of 1857/58 but I'm not sure either of these are right.
I've checked FreeBMD and I can't find any Mary Elizabeth Boulton birth's registered in the Manchester area between 1850 and 1860. The closest I could find are a Burnley reg. in 1851 and a West Derby reg. in 1854. And when I search for the spelling Bolton instead of Boulton I don't get any more joy there either.
As I've not been able to find a Boulton/Whitehead marriage I thought it was possible Mary Elizabeth had been widowed not once but twice before she married Valentine Moore. However, I'd still hoped to find Mary Elizabeth on the census as a child before she married any of her husbands.
I'm still hoping someone reading will be able to find Mary Elizabeth Boulton (b. between 1854 & 1858 in Manchester) on the 1861 census living with her father, James Boulton a hardware dealer. 
Thanks for reading, Best Wishes, Rowan Tree
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ABBOTT - St. Helens area & Blackrod, LAN
BAINES - Haydock, LAN
BLACK - Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER - Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL - Germany
FORSHAW - Haydock, LAN
HARRISON - Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
IRONMONGER - BDF
JACKSON - Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
KELLY - Dun Laoghaire
LONGBOTTAM, NAYLOR, NICHOLSON & PARKINSON - LAN
MADDOCKS - WLS, CHS & LAN
MOORE - IRL & LAN
ROSCOE - Sutton/Prescot, LAN
TITTLE & TOLLETT - CHS & LAN
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bikermickau
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Wonder if this is a possibilty for her
Marriages Dec 1880 Rochdale 8e 46
Poulter Mary Elizabeth
Whitehead Jacob
There are 2 others listed on that marriage index
This appears to be them 1881 Census
1881 Census Chorlton On Medlock
Piece 3920 Folio 118 Page 16
Jacob Whitehead abt 1857 24 Manchester, Lancashire Maker Up (whatever that is)
Mary E. abt 1860 21 Manchester, Lancashire (given the way her age varies)
will have a look 1891
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Rowan Tree
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Posts: 179
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Oooo bikermickau, I'm liking your thinking 
This is an interesting lead and could be the Mary Elizabeth I've been hunting for.
Thanks for help, you've given me food for thought.
Cheers, Rowan Tree
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ABBOTT - St. Helens area & Blackrod, LAN
BAINES - Haydock, LAN
BLACK - Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER - Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL - Germany
FORSHAW - Haydock, LAN
HARRISON - Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
IRONMONGER - BDF
JACKSON - Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
KELLY - Dun Laoghaire
LONGBOTTAM, NAYLOR, NICHOLSON & PARKINSON - LAN
MADDOCKS - WLS, CHS & LAN
MOORE - IRL & LAN
ROSCOE - Sutton/Prescot, LAN
TITTLE & TOLLETT - CHS & LAN
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Rowan Tree
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Posts: 179
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi bikermickau,
I've just had a break-through... Check out the following census:
Source Citation: Class RG13; Piece 3697; Folio 167; Page 7.
Head - Julius Whitehead - 48 (c. 1853) - Little Sodbury, Yorkshire - Licensed Victualler
Wife - Mary E Whitehead - 50 (c. 1851) - Manchester
Valentine Moore was also a Licensed Victualler. Coincidence? Maybe not!
I could do with turning up a marriage for Julius and Mary E now...
TTFN, Rowan Tree
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ABBOTT - St. Helens area & Blackrod, LAN
BAINES - Haydock, LAN
BLACK - Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER - Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL - Germany
FORSHAW - Haydock, LAN
HARRISON - Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
IRONMONGER - BDF
JACKSON - Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
KELLY - Dun Laoghaire
LONGBOTTAM, NAYLOR, NICHOLSON & PARKINSON - LAN
MADDOCKS - WLS, CHS & LAN
MOORE - IRL & LAN
ROSCOE - Sutton/Prescot, LAN
TITTLE & TOLLETT - CHS & LAN
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Rowan Tree
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Posts: 179
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Just found the following on LancsBMD:
1874
WHITEHEAD Julius
WALTON Mary E
Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church), Manchester
Do you think the above could be my Mary Elizabeth Boulton after her first husband, named ? Walton died?
Regards, Rowan Tree
P.S. Sorry Laurina - we were typing at the same time 
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ABBOTT - St. Helens area & Blackrod, LAN
BAINES - Haydock, LAN
BLACK - Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER - Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL - Germany
FORSHAW - Haydock, LAN
HARRISON - Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
IRONMONGER - BDF
JACKSON - Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
KELLY - Dun Laoghaire
LONGBOTTAM, NAYLOR, NICHOLSON & PARKINSON - LAN
MADDOCKS - WLS, CHS & LAN
MOORE - IRL & LAN
ROSCOE - Sutton/Prescot, LAN
TITTLE & TOLLETT - CHS & LAN
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mosiefish
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Posts: 2809
John Knowles 1896 to 1917
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She is listed in the 1903 directory as:
Mrs. Mary Elizabeth Whitehead, Beer Retailer, 40 Gibson Street, Hyde Road, Ardwick.
Unfortunately she is not there in 1901.
38 and 40 Gibson Street, Ardwick was the Mechanics Arms in 1891.
Not any real help but I thought I would mention her occupation.
Regards,
Mo
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Rowan Tree
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Posts: 179
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Hi Everyone and thanks for all your posts
This is turning into a really puzzler .
On the one hand the Mary Elizabeth Whitehead who was married to Julius Whitehead looks like a possibility.
**Name & place of birth a match.
**Year of birth doesn't rule her out.
**Julius Whitehead and Valentine Moore were both licensed victualler's.
But on the other hand it looks like it can't be her.
**The Mary Elizabeth who married Julius Whitehead had the maiden name of Walton and not Boulton (by the looks of things anyway).
**Julius Whitehead doesn't appear to have died until 1909 (and divorce seems extremely unlikely as my Mary Elizabeth was R.C. or at least Valentine Moore was and they married in a R.C. church).
Now... The Mrs. Mary Elizabeth Whitehead, Beer Retailer, 40 Gibson Street - do we think she is the same Mary Elizabeth who married my Valentine?
Any thoughts, opinions, suggestions greatly appreciated.
Cheers Everyone, Rowan Tree
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ABBOTT - St. Helens area & Blackrod, LAN
BAINES - Haydock, LAN
BLACK - Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER - Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL - Germany
FORSHAW - Haydock, LAN
HARRISON - Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
IRONMONGER - BDF
JACKSON - Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
KELLY - Dun Laoghaire
LONGBOTTAM, NAYLOR, NICHOLSON & PARKINSON - LAN
MADDOCKS - WLS, CHS & LAN
MOORE - IRL & LAN
ROSCOE - Sutton/Prescot, LAN
TITTLE & TOLLETT - CHS & LAN
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