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ellis1813
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Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« on: Tuesday 23 June 09 12:59 UTC (UK) »

My Ggma died in Withington Workhouse, Manchester in 1902, leaving 5 children, Harold, Olive, Eveline, Winifred and Mary. I have found Eveline and Winifred in 1911 boarding in Carshalton, Eveline,went on to join the convent in 1911, I also know that Olive entered the convent in 1908. I cannot find Harold or Mary anywhere? Is there any way I could trace the children after their mothers' death in 1902 (Sarah Ann Maddocks nee Leah ) to finding them in 1911 ? Sarahs' last address was in Gorton Manchester. Would they have been in the Workhouse with their mother when she died or with their father Thomas ?
I am curious regarding what happened to the  children after their mother died, would they have stayed in the workhouse, if so how could I check this ?

Regards x
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williamscdr
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:14 UTC (UK) »

Hi x

Do you have any dob and place of birth for the children, and/or the 1901 census information?

egards

David
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jorose
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:16 UTC (UK) »

You can look for records relating to the workhouse:
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/448/archives_and_local_studies/3812/poor_law_and_workhouse_records/7

A lot depends on what age the children were at.  An older boy might have been sent out to work or put into an apprenticeship early on, an older girl into "service" (domestic work). They could have gone from the workhouse into another children's home, or have been sent to Canada as "home children".

Some of the children could have ended up back with their father or with other relatives -- it's hard to know.
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:17 UTC (UK) »

Hi both all  Smiley

Harold seems to be staying with the Currans in Chorlton district in 1911 (John and Harry/Henry were already in the same household in 1901)

 
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:25 UTC (UK) »

For information
1901 2 Milne Street, South Manchester
RG13 Piece  3686 F50 P31     

MADDOCK, Thomas  Married 41   Carter For Road Contractor bn  Stockport Cheshire
MADDOCK, Sarah Wife 39   Tailoress Trousers bn  Stockport Cheshire   
MADDOCK, Harold 14  Errand Lad Warehouse  bn  Manchester
MADDOCK, Olive  10  bn  Manchester
MADDOCK, Eveline 8  bn Manchester
MADDOCK, Winifred 5  bn Manchester
MADDOCK, Mary 6 months bn  Manchester


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Tati
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:28 UTC (UK) »

Have you considered this death?  Undecided

Death Mary Maddocks age 0
Sep 1901 Chorlton 8c 586 
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ellis1813
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:32 UTC (UK) »

Hi Tati,
It hadn't even occured to me that one of them might have died.
Thank you
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williamscdr
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:33 UTC (UK) »

Have you considered this death?  Undecided

Death Mary Maddocks age 0
Sep 1901 Chorlton 8c 586 


I think you are right (just beat me to it)

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ellis1813
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:36 UTC (UK) »

This one gets sadder and sadder,
would I be able to get the informants name or would I have to buy the cert?
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:40 UTC (UK) »

You'd have to buy the cert I'm afraid.
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:49 UTC (UK) »

Thanks again Tati, and everyone x
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ellis1813
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 13:53 UTC (UK) »

If anyone has any luck with Olive b:1891 or 1893 on the 1911, I would be really grateful x
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 14:05 UTC (UK) »


Sending you a pm with the 1911 census.  She is in Religous occupation in Surrey

David
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 07:05 UTC (UK) »

Hi E

To answer your pm asking where Lane Manchester is (for those not privy that is where Olive claims to be from on the 1911 census).  Using www.Streetmap -Lane is about 15 miles ENE from Manchester (indicated here by the arrow):




David
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ellis1813
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Re: Will I ever be able to fill this gap ?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 08:11 UTC (UK) »

Thank you David,
Is there any way of knowing where the children were after their mothers death up to going to the convent.  Or do I have to be content with the info I have already?
It looks like if anyone would know..it would be you !

Debbie
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