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Jane Hollenbeck
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Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« on: Tuesday 23 June 09 14:12 UTC (UK) »
I have traced my father's family(Sutherland) on his mother's (Tait)(my grandmother's) side
back to the death cert. of George Macdonald sep 24th 1880, age 85. His mother was Helen Sinclair, married to George Macdonald, a crofter, all from Caithness. Where do I find information for these people?
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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 14:29 UTC (UK) »
Hi  and Welcome  Smiley

There's a marriage showing for Helen Sinclair and George McDonald on 6 July 1799, Halkirk, Caithness

and a birth showing for a son, George, to them on 28th July 1803, also at Halkirk

This is an IGI extracted record from www.familysearch.org

I wonder if the informant got his age wrong?

In addition to the familysearch site, Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk is a good source for Scottish records. It's pay to view but very reasonable. Also, Freereg has quite a number of Caithness records. Also, have a look at this thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html

Where was he living before his death and, who was he married to?  This would help to check for his age on the censuses.

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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 15:33 UTC (UK) »
Thankyou so much for the help. I did get my original information from Scotlands people website. There appear to be at least 3 George Macdonalds in the family. His death in 1880 was in Halkirk...so your info is very promising. He was married to Williamina Macleod who died in 1900, age 84, and she was the daughter of William Macleod (crofter)and Mary Mackay.  George and Williamina had a son 'George', he was the informant on their death registrations. They also had a daughter Christina (domestic worker) who married Donald Tait (boot and shoemaker) in 1873 oct 09th. They are the parents of my grandmother, Margaret Campbell Tait.
Thankyou for the links, I will look them up
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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 15:57 UTC (UK) »
Here we are

1871
Harpsdale, Halkirk
37 ED 3 page 6

MacDonald
George, 68 (so born 1803), farmer of 4 acres arable, b. Halkirk
Williamina, 53, b. Sutherlandshire
George, 16, farmer's son, b. Halkirk
Barbara, 12, scholar, b. Halkirk


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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 17:01 UTC (UK) »
again...my thanks. I presume this info comes from a census ? would that be the reason their daughter Christina, who would have been 33 at the time, was not listed? She was a domestic worker so I presume lived elsewhere in 1871.
How do I trace the Sinclair line back with some degree of accuracy?

Jane.
p.s... interesting that Williamina was born in Sutherlandshire... Sutherland is my family name and that's where I started this journey from.!
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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 17:11 UTC (UK) »
All the censuses are on SP but it is costly. There are other sites which have indexes - Ancestry for one and the 1841 is on Freecen.

If you want to trace Helen Sinclair's line, you could use the IGI or Scotlands People. For example, if you go to the IGI page on family search and put in the parents names and Area, Country and County only, you should get a list of children to her parents. You could use them to see if there was a naming pattern to identify possble parents. Traditional naming patterns were often used:

1st son - after father's father
2nd son - after mother's father
3rd son - after father
4th son - after father's eldest brother
etc.

Daughters were named similarly but with the first daughter being named for the  Mother's mother, etc.


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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 18:25 UTC (UK) »
I have just found Helen's death cert. She died january 07 1858 age 80. She is recorded as a widow at the time, her father's name is George Sinclair , a farmer. There is no mother's name.... odd.! Her death was informed by son George Macdonald, and signed with an X.
It also says 'Halkirk churchyard as certified by Francis Sutherland, grave digger' !

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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 20:20 UTC (UK) »
I have come accross a marriage registration for George Sinclair in Waidale(?) + Margaret Waiter in Stainland(?) married dec 17th 1783.
Then 2 birth registrations : Helen Sinclair in Weydale born to George by Marg Waiter june 29th 1786,  and Donald Sinclair baptised march 29th 1788 son to George by Marg Waiter in Weydale.

I hope this is my Helen Sinclair !!!
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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 20:22 UTC (UK) »
Have you found Helen on the 1851 census - that would give her pace of birth?
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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 15:12 UTC (UK) »
Where do I look that up? is it on Scotlands people?
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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 16:58 UTC (UK) »
ScotlandsPeople and Ancestry (index only)  have the 1841-1901 censuses.

On a quick look through, I don't see her in Halkirk. If you can't find her, I'llcheck later but am out this evening.


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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 20:16 UTC (UK) »
Hi Jane,
     I think this could be your Helen Sinclair on 1851 census.
Burn of Halkirk Macdonald William Head U M 41 Farmer of 8 Acres b Halkirk
                        Macdonald Hellen Widow F 80 Farmer's mother b Halkirk
                        Macdonald Iso. sister U F 34 Working on farm b Halkirk

1841 Census Sibster Halkirk
                        Macdonald Willm.   M 30 Labourer b Caithness
                        Macdonald Helen   F 60                 b Caithness
                                         Isabella F 20                 b Caithness

from IGI children of George McDonald & Helen Sinclair all baptised Halkirk
29 Oct 1800 Christian
28 Jul 1803 George
7 Jan 1806 William
7 Feb 1809 Isobel
30 Jun 1810 John
13 Jul 1815 Isobel

1851 Census Burn of Halkirk
Macdonald George        Head M 47 Farmer of 7 Acres     b Halkirk Caithness
Macdonald Williamina    Wife F 30                                   b Sutherland
Macdonald Mary            Dau  F  5                                     b Halkirk
Macdonald Christy         Dau  F  3                                     b Halkirk
                                      Dau  F 14w  infant unbaptises   b Halkirk

1861 Census Halkirk
Macdonald George         Head  M  50  Carter                   b Halkirk
Macdonald Williamina     Wife   F   35                               b Sutherland  Strathy
Macdonald Christina       Dau    F   10                                  Halkirk
Macdonald Johannah      Dau    F    8                                   Halkirk
Macdonald George          Son    M   6                                    Halkirk
Macdonald Barbara         Dau   F    2                                    Houstry

I got them on Freecen
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Kris
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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 25 June 09 17:13 UTC (UK) »
thank-you Kris.
This is such a learning curve ! I have to think it becomes somewhat harder to search back from this point on. Some of the families have quite large numbers of children; thereby creating diversity further on down the line.How does one make connections with other folks whose family history ties back to the same family? And does it make sense at some point in the search to seek a professional geneologist?
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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 25 June 09 17:33 UTC (UK) »
Hi Jane,
      I would suggest you join Caithness Family History Society, it only costs £10 per year  and with all those Caithness names I'm sure you would find family connections.

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Re: Sinclair / Macdonald...need help
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 25 June 09 18:26 UTC (UK) »
 Awesome..... thanks again. I've printed an application. pity they don't do online; I'm in Canada!...hope to make the trip to Caithness next summer when I'm back.
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