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Re: Funeral Train from Ilkley to Scholemoor Cemetery 1902?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 11 July 09 06:51 UTC (UK) »

Dave thanks for that info,
Unlikely the last 5 miles was on foot as it was mid February and probably snowing. So either by train or they would have had a stack of carriages at the station.
I have a report from the Bradford Observor 17/2/02  and there is a long list- many dozens- of men named as attending the funeral and the train trip is mentioned- it says - and I hadn't noticed this detail- " The remains were afterwards[after the service at my grandparents house in Ilkley] conveyed by train to Bradford."

  In the Obit published in the same paper 4 days earlier it says" The funeral takes place at Scholemoor next Saturday".
So when it says train conyeying my grandfather's body to Bradford it may be loose use of terminology and Braford = Scholemoor.

What's the Bradford T & A please?

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GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI 

HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY  Nunney/Frome 18-19C

HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN  Ont. Canada 1830+

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Re: Funeral Train from Ilkley to Scholemoor Cemetery 1902?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 11 July 09 08:45 UTC (UK) »

The Bradford T & A is the Telegraph and Argus. (The local Bradford paper)
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dave the tyke
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Re: Funeral Train from Ilkley to Scholemoor Cemetery 1902?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 11 July 09 09:38 UTC (UK) »

Charlotte,
a question - did the 'many dozens of men' attend the funeral service or did they actually travel to Scholemoor ?

There was mention in an earlier post of the charges and who paid.
Where did your grandfather work ? perhaps his employer paid if he was in a senior position a partner perhaps.

Dave
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Re: Funeral Train from Ilkley to Scholemoor Cemetery 1902?
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 11 July 09 10:10 UTC (UK) »

HI  Dave,
Tthere are more that 5 dozen men mentioned in the account of the funeral--- there are a number of Alderman,  Reps of the Bradford Soc. of Architects, Bradford School Board, Bradford Builders Assosc., Bradford Liberal Club, Ilkley Grammar School   etc...   I think they did go to the Cem. from the way the account is written.

My grandfather was an architect and had well established his own Bradford & Ilkley firm.  He left decent amount  of money and his wife was independently wealthy so money would not have been a factor.

There was a service held at the Hargreaves house in Ilkley before the train left- and  the paper says "A large number of Mr Hargreaves ' personal friends and represtentatives of various public bodies with which he had been connected assembled at the station and accompanied the cortege to the cemetery."

Any comments?

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GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI 

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Re: Funeral Train from Ilkley to Scholemoor Cemetery 1902?
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 11 July 09 10:46 UTC (UK) »

Hi All
I am not familiar with Yorkshire train funerals but a useful book might be "Brookwood Necropolis Railway" by John Clarke ISBN 0853613753
if you can get it. Will answer many of the questions
Ray
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Re: Funeral Train from Ilkley to Scholemoor Cemetery 1902?
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 11 July 09 11:49 UTC (UK) »

Hi Ray, Is Brookwood the Rookwood Cemetery in Sydney? I am familiar with that cem.  There was a Necroplois Mortuary Chapel at the Cemetery into which the trains drew... and the train left from Central Station in the city of Sydney.

The trains don't run there now... don't know when this was discontinued- my guess would be when motor transport became more generally used.

Thanks for that reference- will see if I can get it on interlibrary loan- if it is in fact Rookwood.

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GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI 

HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY  Nunney/Frome 18-19C

HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN  Ont. Canada 1830+

PILSEN, Sask.

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Re: Funeral Train from Ilkley to Scholemoor Cemetery 1902?
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 11 July 09 12:27 UTC (UK) »

Hi Charlotte,
No I'm afraid not, it's in the U.K., Brookwood is in Surrey and the trains ran from London. Had its own station there and special trains until it was bombed in the last war. Two stations in the cemetery grounds with waiting rooms (1st & 2nd class)and chapels.
I'm sure you would find the book very intersting if you can get hold of a copy.
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Re: Funeral Train from Ilkley to Scholemoor Cemetery 1902?
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 11 July 09 14:50 UTC (UK) »

Hi Charlotte,
if you go to this site

http://www.bing.com/maps/

put Lidget Green into the Address search box -
Click on the cross to kill the address and enlarge the view.
Scholemoor cemetery is to the Left of Cemetery Road and North of Necropolis Road. Bring that area to the top center, go to Ariel view then zoom in a couple of clicks until you can see Old Corn Mill Lane at the bottom of the screen, to the Left of Beckside Road. The rail line ran to the North of the Lane.
You can then bring the Cemetery to the center of the screen and have a close up look in the Birds eye view

Dave
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Re: Funeral Train from Ilkley to Scholemoor Cemetery 1902?
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 12 July 09 02:58 UTC (UK) »

Hi Dave and Ray,
Ray I'll see if I can get the book on interlibrary loan... funny that the names of the two cemeteries ars so close. What you describe sounds like it was in Sydney way back.  Bit of a hoot to have different class waiting rooms for ush a train Roll Eyes

Dave, thanks for the url and the guidance how to get the best from the site I appreciate that and  will look there  after lunch- in Aus.

charlotte
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GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI 

HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY  Nunney/Frome 18-19C

HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN  Ont. Canada 1830+

PILSEN, Sask.

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