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hemmy
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Hi Linell, The name has not been legally changed as far as I know. I don't know if, due to both signing the parish marriage in 1835 with an 'x', whether this was wrong, perhaps a dialect mis-pronunciation. Best maid is Mary Bennitt and Best Man is Thos. (not sure of handwriting on this one) Alen? Cert. gives John as Bachelor and Eliz. as Spinster and states both are of this parish (Dudley). L Booker or Rooker is the Vicar.
John Yeomans b1847, (the son) married twice in England under that name, but when he came to Scotland in 1890, his name is George Hemmings (John had a bro. Geo who died in infancy, John was about 5yrs when his bro. died).
Hope you don't mind me asking, do you have Tipton 1841 in your collection? I have a copy of enum. dist 12, pge 15 & 16. I only recently noticed at top of p15, there is a Betsey Hartland aged 6mths, would like to have details on rest of her family who will be on p14. If you have this and don't mind me asking, I'd greatly appreciate your help.
Thanks
Heather
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England: Yeomans/Hemmings - Kidderminster, Cookley, Dudley. Hartland - Kinver. Little - Cumberland. Lowe - Notts
Scotland: Steven, Deans, Hunter, Hall, Harvie, Lamont, McCreadie/McCredy, Morrison, Paterson, Milroy, Coid, Hardie, Grainger, Wood, Young, Brown, Waddell/Waddle, Stirling, Hendrie, Maitland, Reid, Gibb, Little, Moffat, Radcliffe/Ratcliffe, Campbell, Carruthers, Rae, Cummings, Telfer/Telford, Baxter, Scott, Wilson, Mason, Donaldson, Brackenbridge, Calvert, Peddie, Grant, Rutherford
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linell
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Hi Heather, the X on the Marriage Entry is where they made their mark, they couldn't read or write. Would be an idea to try and track down Mary Bennett and see where she lived, and if she was related in some way. Thomas Allen was a Church Warden and is on a lot of Dudley Marriage Entries for that time period.
Funny that both John and his son changed their names, you could of course call yourself what you liked back then, there were no laws against it, it was quite common, more so than we think.
Willl see if I can find Betsey Hartland in Tipton and get back to you. Best Wishes from Linell.
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Black Country Stringer, Sidaway, Mansell, Haynes, Westwood, Yardley, Reading, Worton, Willetts.
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linell
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Hi Heather, I found Betsey, John and Elizabeth Yeomans are on page 15:-
Dudley Road Tipton
Simon Hartland 36 Boatman Yes
Catherine 28 Yes
Hannah Hartland 45 Yes
Joseph 15 Coal Miner
Susannah 14
Sampson 13
Comfort 10
Betsey 6 months
Cresswells Wood Tipton (think it is Cresswell?)
John Yeomans 55 Labourer No
Elizabeth Yeomans 45 No
Hannah 15
Thomas 12
Elizabeth 8
Abraham Hartland 30 Labourer Yes
Hannah 35
Elizabeth 13
Samuel 11
Abraham 9
Sarah 10
Mary Ann 2
Looks as though Elizabeth came from Tipton, as all the Hartland family seem to be there, also found a Thomas and Maria Hartland ages 43 and 42 with lots of children on another page in Tipton. HTH from Linell.
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Black Country Stringer, Sidaway, Mansell, Haynes, Westwood, Yardley, Reading, Worton, Willetts.
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hemmy
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Thanks for that Linell.
John & Elizabeth Yeomans - took a note of, don't know yet if they are connected, though the fact that Hartland and Yeomans are neighbours I suspect there must be some connection.
Looking for a John aged approx 27 and Eliz aged approx 34 in 1841. From census records, it would appear they were married approx 9yrs before they had any children, unless they lost a lot of babies prior to then.
The name change is a puzzle. Firstly father John is married (1835) as John Hemmings then every record thereafter (except 1841, haven't found them in 1841 yet) his name is John Yeomans, then the son born in England and his 2 x marr as John Yeomans, then at the age of 43 becomes George Hemmings in Scotland. Don't expect to ever solve this one!
Heather
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England: Yeomans/Hemmings - Kidderminster, Cookley, Dudley. Hartland - Kinver. Little - Cumberland. Lowe - Notts
Scotland: Steven, Deans, Hunter, Hall, Harvie, Lamont, McCreadie/McCredy, Morrison, Paterson, Milroy, Coid, Hardie, Grainger, Wood, Young, Brown, Waddell/Waddle, Stirling, Hendrie, Maitland, Reid, Gibb, Little, Moffat, Radcliffe/Ratcliffe, Campbell, Carruthers, Rae, Cummings, Telfer/Telford, Baxter, Scott, Wilson, Mason, Donaldson, Brackenbridge, Calvert, Peddie, Grant, Rutherford
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linell
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Hi Heather, surely John and Elizabeth in Tipton must be John's parents? That is how I read it. I think you need to trace the family back as far as you can and see where the Hemmings name fits in? Could be one of the Grannies? I would think that John and Elizabeth the younger, are probably in Kinver, when I looked at the 1841 Images some of the names were unreadable. Good luck with the searching, best wishes from Linell.
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linell
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Forgot to add that if Elizabeth Hartland was from Tipton, which looks as though she was, that would have been why they Married at Dudley?
Linell.
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hemmy
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Hi Linell, thanks for all your help and tips. I am hoping that the elder John/Eliz. are John's parents. I have still to order John's death cert., (got a few english ones to order, can't afford them all at once), and hopefully that will give his father as John, then I can see what else I can find out.
Thanks again Linell
Heather
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England: Yeomans/Hemmings - Kidderminster, Cookley, Dudley. Hartland - Kinver. Little - Cumberland. Lowe - Notts
Scotland: Steven, Deans, Hunter, Hall, Harvie, Lamont, McCreadie/McCredy, Morrison, Paterson, Milroy, Coid, Hardie, Grainger, Wood, Young, Brown, Waddell/Waddle, Stirling, Hendrie, Maitland, Reid, Gibb, Little, Moffat, Radcliffe/Ratcliffe, Campbell, Carruthers, Rae, Cummings, Telfer/Telford, Baxter, Scott, Wilson, Mason, Donaldson, Brackenbridge, Calvert, Peddie, Grant, Rutherford
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