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Topic: Ralph TAILLEBOIS (Read 345 times)
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bedfordshire boy
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Probably not Bob
Domesday Descendants, Katherine Keats-Rowan, The Boydell Press 2002, only refers to a daughter Adelina, who was husband of Hugh de Beauchamp
There are a number of hits for Taillebois on http://groups.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/topics?gvc=2 This used to be a good list but has degenerated with the scholars all leaving
VCH Beds Cockayne Hatley http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=62633 refers to various properties in Beds of Ralph de Taillebois passing to Hugh de Beauchamp, implying there was no male heir so property passed to his only daughter
Ivo was the first husband of my 28xg grandmother - I descend from her third husband
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Ivo wasn't childless - he had a daughter Beatrice. Keats-Rohan has this to say about them:
IVO DE TAILLEBOIS: “ Ivo Taillebois, probably brother of Ralph
Taillebois, a sheriff of Bedfordshire who was dead by 1086, was a
prominent administrator throughout the reign of William I and well into that of William II. He appears to have been twice married since he was ancestor of the English family surnamed 'of Lancaster' or Taillebois who descended from the thegn Eldred, alive in 1086. In 1093 he can be seen to have had a daughter Beatrice, then married to Ribald of Richmond. She was dead in 1121, when Ivo's widow Lucy was married to her third husband. Lucy and Beatrice, probably widow of Eldred before marriage to Ribald, were contemporaries, so Lucy must have been Ivo's
second wife. She was the daughter of Ivo's predecessor as sheriff of Lincoln, Turold, who was probably a Norman. Her mother undoubtedly had English ancestry since she was the daughter of William Malet, a sheriff of York who seems to have had English maternal antecedents.” Source: DOMESDAY DESCENDANTS; by K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, page 35
(2) TAILLEBOIS, BEATRIX: “Daughter of Ivo Taillebois (q.v.) and his unknown first wife. Clay thought Beatrice was probably illegitimate (EYC, v, 291), because none of Ivo's property passed to Ribald with his wife Beatrice. Ivo's second wife Lucy was an important heiress whose inheritance formed the basis of the land Ivo held in Domesday Book This fief, the honour of Bolingbroke, was inherited by the two sons of Lucy's subsequent marriages, whereas Ivo's own barony of Kendal, granted after 1086 went (possibly) to Ketel son of Eldred and then to Ketel’s nephew William fitz Gilbert of Lancaster, surnamed Taillebois (Sanders, 56). In the late twelfth century the writer Peter of Blois
claimed that Ivo had had a sole daughter, ‘nobly married’ Defective genealogies, in the Cockersand Cartulary and the Register of St Mary's York (Cockersand Cart., ii, pp. 305-8) made William a descendant of Eldred and Ivo Taillebois, who must have been father of Eldred's wife. Beatrice is known to have married Ribald, half-brother of the Conqueror's Breton cousin Count Alan before 1093; Monasticon Anglicanum. III, p. 553 no. xx. She was dead by c 1121 at the time of a gift to St Mary's by Ribald and their son Ralph Taillebois: Given that Ketel Fitz Eldred, his nephew William of Lancaster, and Ralph
fitz Ribald, were all active c.1120, .just a few years before Ivo’s
widow buried her third husband, one can conclude that Beatrice was a legitimate heir of Ivo by a wife previous to Lucy, who was Beatrice's contemporary, and that she was first the wife of the Englishman Eldred and subsequently the wife of Ribald. For the descendants of Beatrice and Ribald see Rev. H. C. Fitz Herbert An original pedigree of Tailbois and Neville', The Genealogist, ns iii, 31. Clay. Early Yorkshire Charters (1936), V, no. 358.” Source: DOMESDAY DESCENDANTS; by K. S.
B. Keats-Rohan, page 1121
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