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Davidjnr
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 13:10 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: heywood on Thursday 09 July 09 23:09 UTC (UK)
If you look at Cheshire BMD baptisms for Cheshire West (covers Northwich) for years 1855-1857, there is one birth for William Taylor b Northwich 1855.
As he puts this most often for his place of birth, it may be good to follow up. Will cost though  Sad

PS just seen a birth for 1858 too but I think that may be too late.. is it?

Hi everyone, I ordered the three Birth Certificates discovered on the FreeBMD.org with William Taylors born in Stockport between Jun 1855 and Dec 1857.

Births Jun 1855 - Taylor    William - Stockport    8a   36     

Births Dec 1855 - Taylor    William - Stockport    8a   19     

Births Dec 1857 - TAYLOR    William Thomas  - Stockport    8a   16

and the single Cheshire BMD baptisms for Cheshire West (covers Northwich) for years 1855-1857 where there was one birth for William Taylor b Northwich 1855.

Two of the Williams from the FreeBMD were illegitimate with the 1857 actually dated 1858 (no 1857!). The third had a father known as John mother Hannah.

The Cheshire BMD Certificate arrived with the others dated 1855 which fits perfectly with the 1861, 71 and 1881 DOB's and had the following:

14th April 1855
Name: William Taylor
Sex: Boy
Name of Father: William (success!!!!!!!)
Name of Mother: Esther Taylor formally Large or Lange (Lokks very much like a Large)
Occupation of father: Hardware Dealer
Signature: Marked by Esther Taylor mother from Witton.
Registered: 28th April 1855
Signature of registrar: John G Newale Registrar


Dave

Would anyone like to help me move back further? Ha Ha!
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 13:30 UTC (UK) »
Using these as a guide I have searched the census for William Taylor and Esther Taylor with a son William Taylor  Smiley

I have only uncovered the following that appear to fit:

1871 Census
William Taylor father aged 64
Born: abt 1807
Born: Droylsden, Lancashire, England
Esther Taylor spouse aged 65

Also in Household
Ann Taylor   28
Joshua Henr Taylor   3
Charles James Swain   21
William Freeman   1

1851 Census
William Taylor father aged 43
Born: abt 1807
Born: Droylsden, Lancashire, England
Esther Taylor spouse aged 44

Also in Household

Joshua Taylor   18
Ann Taylor   7
William Taylor   5 (fits perfectly with the Birth Certificate)
Grin

What do you think?
Davidjnr
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heywood
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 13:44 UTC (UK) »
Hi Dave,
not too sure about those census entries will look again  BUT...

Free BMD Marriage June 1853

William Wheildon/Whilden Taylor
Esther Large

The marriage is also on Free BMD - he is William W

Father is named as William Wheeldon Taylor on the marriage certificate of young William so ...  Grin

You should now be able to look for Esther Large in 1851 and note her birthplace and year of birth- see if anything comes up.

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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 13:50 UTC (UK) »
Esther is here in 1861 RG9; Piece: 2604; Folio: 18; Page: 30 but no William.
She is a hawker and hardware dealer fits in with that occupation.
If you recall there was a William Taylor, hawker in 1871??
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 14:35 UTC (UK) »
I would say that this is William snr with parents Josiah and Ellen and siblings.

1851 HO107; Piece: 2156; Folio: 703; Page: 52

Josiah is a tin plate worker.

1851 HO107; Piece: 2165; Folio: 352; Page: 29
Esther Large with mother Alice and siblings.
Alice is a Glass and China dealer

1841 and 1861 both have Alice Large with her husband Thomas.
1841 Thomas is a Mugman
1861 Thomas is a hawker

so all these do seem to fit with the union of the Large and Taylor families  Wink

Let me know if you need anything.

heywood  Cheesy
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 14:45 UTC (UK) »
What are their DOB's?
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 15:20 UTC (UK) »
righto - here goes after our pm's.

I won't type out all details- it's a waste when you have access but I will go with what I think/have found  Huh

Your birth certificate looks good - William and Esther.

This is supported by the marriage certificate in 1853 as I wrote earlier - so that would be good to buy when funds allow.

Earlier post:
1871 RG10; Piece: 3683; Folio: 33; Page: 14
There are 3 William Taylors who are lodgers in Altrincham

William Taylor 60 yrs unmarried (?) b Thrapewood (Threapwood)
William Taylor married 37 yrs hawker b Stockport
William Taylor 16 yrs son of -do- b Northwich (transcribed as Northinch)

so you do get William son of William and he is born Northwich.
Maybe the older one has nothing to do with it.

At the moment I would disregard the 60 yr old William because we don't know who he is.  Undecided

This leaves William Taylor b 1855 (yours??) with a father born 1834 Stockport.

1861 Esther is here in 1861 RG9; Piece: 2604; Folio: 18; Page: 30 but no sign of William snr or jnr.
She is a hawker and hardware dealer fits in with that occupation.She is lodging in Witton with daughter Alice 1 yr.

1851 1851 HO107; Piece: 2165; Folio: 352; Page: 29

Esther Large (transcribed as Largo but has been corrected) with her mother Alice and siblings.

1841 HO107; Piece 120; Book: 16; Folio: 9; Page: 13
(tanscribed as Sarge but has been corrected and you can contact that person - they must be descended from this family)
Thomas and Alice Large with Esther and others.

In that family there is a much older child - Ann born Prescot and also Alice comes from Lancashire.

Lancashire online parish clerks site has a marriage for Thomas Large widower and Alice Dyson in Prescot 1836
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/cgi-bin/mkindx.cgi?parish=Prescot&type=Parish&community=

Thomas is a glass seller which fits with Alice's occupation in 1851.

Therefore you can follow up Esther Large and go back a generation with her. Cheesy

As I posted earlier (you must have looked at wrong one in your pm)

1851 HO107; Piece: 2156; Folio: 703; Page: 52

William Taylor , 18 yrs - parents Joshua and Ellen fit in nicely with the whole scenario.

Phew- am exhausted now.
Take your time looking through the censuses for these- back and forwards and see what you make of them.
Family Search also has that marriage of Thomas Large and Alice Dyson.

heywood
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 21:20 UTC (UK) »
1851 1851 HO107; Piece: 2165; Folio: 352; Page: 29

Esther Large (transcribed as Largo but has been corrected) with her mother Alice and siblings.

1861 Esther is here in 1861 RG9; Piece: 2604; Folio: 18; Page: 30 but no sign of William snr or jnr.
She is a hawker and hardware dealer fits in with that occupation.She is lodging in Witton with daughter Alice 1 yr.

That fits in with the Birth Certificate of William 14th April 1855 as it says she is from Witton.

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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 21:28 UTC (UK) »
David,

are  you looking them up yourself and checking for the whole family for your records?
As it was Witton- and you said the certificate said Large (?), I thought we were on to a good thing here  Grin

Did you find Joshua as father of William?

By the way- how's the leg?
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 22:28 UTC (UK) »
Hello David,

some more things for you to think about:

We last saw Esther Large Taylor in 1861- minus her husband and we found him in 1871 as lodgers with son William - your ancestor - we hope it's them anyway.

Esther had a daughter Alice with her.

Cheshire BMD which kindly supplies mother's name for Stockport births has a birth for Sarah Alice Taylor in 1860.

If you look for Family Trees on Ancestry - there is a public one with Esther Large in it. However, she is married to William Pendleton in Wales and they have several children including Sarah 'E' Taylor in 1871 and Sarah A Pendleton in 1881 (same person).

Looking at censuses, Esther is with William Pendleton in 1871 (when William Taylor is a lodger in Altrincham).

1877 marriage-William Pendleton to Esther Taylor. So presumably William Taylor dies.

1881 family in Wales and thereafter.

William Pendleton is a hawker or Glass dealer on censuses.

I'm not sure of these relationships but it certainly looks that way.  Huh
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 23:43 UTC (UK) »
Ha Ha very very interesting isn't it.

The march goes on with Josiah Taylor next B:abt 1813 to find out if I really have Gypsy blood!!!
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 19 July 09 09:27 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: heywood on Wednesday 15 July 09 14:35 UTC (UK)
I would say that this is William snr with parents Josiah and Ellen and siblings.

1851 HO107; Piece: 2156; Folio: 703; Page: 52

Josiah is a tin plate worker.

heywood  Cheesy

Can anyone make out what Thomas and Stephen do on the census? Where can I get better transcripts of these census as Ancestry's are not particularly good.

Dave
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 19 July 09 09:30 UTC (UK) »
1861 Esther is here in 1861 RG9; Piece: 2604; Folio: 18; Page: 30 but no sign of William snr or jnr.
She is a hawker and hardware dealer fits in with that occupation.She is lodging in Witton with daughter Alice 1 yr.

1861 William snr and William jnr are nowhere to be found?

Would anyone like to speculate why Esther married to William would be apart? In 1853 they were both married and by 61 after the birth of William they are apart? 

Been searching for hours and can't find William in 1861?

I have him in 1851 with Josiah and Ellen but can anyone locate him in 1841?

Dave
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 19 July 09 11:14 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Davidjnr on Sunday 19 July 09 09:30 UTC (UK)
Would anyone like to speculate why Esther married to William would be apart? In 1853 they were both married and by 61 after the birth of William they are apart? 

Been searching for hours and can't find William in 1861?

I have him in 1851 with Josiah and Ellen but can anyone locate him in 1841?

Dave

Hi Dave,

Who knows why there were apart? It could be the occupation- hawker/ tin plate worker or it may be that as she later lives with William Pendleton- they may have split up.
Will look for 1841

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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #44 on: Sunday 19 July 09 11:35 UTC (UK) »
Dave,
1841 is very easy to find through Josiah  Roll Eyes

1841 HO107; Piece 114; Book: 2; Folio: 5

Josiah looks to be a  Huh Waterworker. (can't read first word - looks a bit like 'Tin ?' Wonder if he was on the canals?

There are also seems to be a Samuel Hewitt 60 yrs in same house  Huh but not the same household.

You could get the birth certificate of Joseph to see what the father's occupation was and what Ellen's maiden name was - but that may be moving a little closer to bankruptcy with all these certificates  Grin

1851 - Thomas and Stephen look to be Billy Piecers - if you google it you can get the explanation.

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