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Davidjnr
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #45 on: Monday 20 July 09 23:15 UTC (UK) »
Well I did a search and discovered that Billy Piecers were usually the youngest children in the textile factories employed as scavengers and piecers to work with the machine for spinning woollen yarn, often called a billy.

From what I have discovered the Billy Piecers had to lean over the spinning-machine to repair the broken threads.

Very interesting!

As Dora says in Finding Nemo must keep swimming must keep swimming....and enjoying every minute of it!

Dave
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heywood
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 21 July 09 10:50 UTC (UK) »
Hi Dave,

keep up the good work  Cheesy  Social history as well- all good stuff! My grandad lost a finger with a similar job- dangerous work.

Did you find Josiah in 1841?

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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 21 July 09 14:41 UTC (UK) »
No :-)

Who else is Josiah with in 1841? Is Ellen with him or is she elsewhere?

I've got clumps of hair in my hands from trying to find Ellen's maiden name and marriage of Ellen? and Josiah?

HELP!
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heywood
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #48 on: Tuesday 21 July 09 16:04 UTC (UK) »
Dave,

I just wrote quite a bit about that family and have looked at 1861 census and lo and behold - William is there - unmarried  Shocked So it looks as though they may not be the right ones after all- I am so sorry  Cry  What a mess.

It looks as though you wil have to get the marriage details of William Taylor and Esther Large to get that William's father's details. More money I'm sorry to say.

You could also get the details (for free with a visit) from Parish records- you could try Stockport local archives or Cheshire- you will have to google them and perhaps email to confirm where the records are.
Cheshire BMD site has William and Esther marrying at Portwood St Paul's.

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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #49 on: Sunday 26 July 09 10:24 UTC (UK) »
Hi Heywood,

Can you give me some details on the 1861 census where you have found William? Is this William with Ester or his father?

1851 1851 HO107; Piece: 2165; Folio: 352; Page: 29. Esther Large (transcribed as Largo but has been corrected) with her mother Alice and siblings.
1861 Esther is here in 1861 RG9; Piece: 2604; Folio: 18; Page: 30 but no sign of William snr or jnr.
She is a hawker and hardware dealer fits in with that occupation.She is lodging in Witton with daughter Alice 1 yr.

I take it from your previous comment that you think the Esther with William Pendleton in 1871 (when William Taylor is a lodger in Altrincham) is not our Esther? And that the 1877 marriage-William Pendleton to Esther Taylor with the presumption William Taylor dies is wrong?

Look forward to your reply?
Davidjnr
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heywood
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 26 July 09 16:04 UTC (UK) »
Hi Dave,

I think that William Pendleton/Esther is yours.

I couldn't find William in 1861 but we found him with two other Williams - one his father as lodgers in 1871.

What I now think is wrong is the Joshua and Ellen Taylor as parents- that's not yours. That William is still unmarried with Ellen his mother in 1861 but as your young William is not with Esther and not with the unmarried William with his mother Ellen- that makes me think it is not your William's family.

1861 RG9; Piece: 2566; Folio: 9; Page: 11  is that one but as I say- have now rethought  Roll Eyes

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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #51 on: Friday 07 August 09 12:47 UTC (UK) »
I'm lost?

Can you explain?
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heywood
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #52 on: Friday 07 August 09 19:20 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Davidjnr on Friday 07 August 09 12:47 UTC (UK)
I'm lost?

Can you explain?

Hi Dave,

How are you? I have forgotten much of this but here goes:
1861 Esther is in census as married with daughter Alice but no son William.

I had thought that William snr was the son of Joshua and Ellen but found that William unmarried with his mother Ellen in 1861 - when he would have a 'married' status were he the one we want. Additionally, even if that was a mistake re his status, there is no son William with him.

Indeed, we can't find the two Williams in 1861.

The two Williams (father and son) seem to be lodgers in 1871 with an older William who we can't place.

Is that OK?

I have quickly read through the thread - skimmed it really so apologies if I have missed something really obvious  Roll Eyes

Did you ever get the marriage for Esther Large and William W Taylor- that would give you his father's name.
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #53 on: Friday 07 August 09 20:58 UTC (UK) »
Hi Barbara :-)

No I have not yet got the marriage certificate. I just purchased the Birth Certificate of William Taylor born 1855 in Witton.

William was born 14th April 1855 to Ester Taylor formally Large and his father William Taylor.  On the birth certificate Esther only makes a mark and William Senior is a Hardware Dealer.

I did however purchase the March 20th 1880 Marriage of William Taylor and Agnes Ferguson. William jnr is now 24 a laborer in Goton and his father was also a Laborer William Wheldon Taylor. Agne's father is a John Ferguson a moulder.

So we do have 2 generations of William.

William Wheldon Taylor b. married to Ester Large. (Still need to order this!)
Wiliam Taylor b.1855 and married 1880 to Agnes Ferguson
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #54 on: Friday 07 August 09 21:02 UTC (UK) »
Hi Dave,

I'm Kath  Wink

Having just spent the time since my last post looking for William and William with nothing showing- apart from what we have already, I do think that the only way forward now is to get the marriage certificate of Esther Large and William Taylor- what do you think?

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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #55 on: Friday 07 August 09 22:17 UTC (UK) »
HAHAH Sorry Kath :-)

Marriage Certificate will be ordered and then I'll post the information.
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Re: Tom Taylor & Deborah Robinson
« Reply #56 on: Friday 07 August 09 22:18 UTC (UK) »
brilliant!
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