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Topic: Help please with finding a birth - Mary Evelyn ASTBURY 1893 (Read 710 times)
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cathyaus
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Hi
I am hoping that someone can help me with locating my husband's grandmother's birth - so that we can order the birth certificate.
Mary Evelyn ASTBURY - according to the 1900 United States Census, her month & year of birth is listed as May 1893.
Other background information that I have
Parents -
(Edward) Thomas Astbury - born Longton Staffordshire
Mary Jane Astbury (nee Harrison) - born Cheadle Staffordshire.
Other children
(George) William Astbury (1900 US Census has birth as March 1888. Name on Census -recorded as "Willie" & all other research thereafter refers to him as William). I have located a George William Astbury on Free BMD as being registered June 1888 Stoke Upon Trent. 1891 UK Census records George as a 3 yr old born Longton, Staffordshire. Census area is Longton.
The family travel to New York in 1894 (Evelyn would have been about 14 mths old) & stay in Syracuse, New York until about 1909.
The 1911 UK Census records Mary Evelyn Astbury as being an 18 yr old - birthplace listed as "America" & "British Subject by Parentage"
I have searched & cannot located a reference number to order a birth certificate.
The only birth that I have located was for a Mary Evelyn Astbury born June Qtr 1893 in Chester (8a 413). When I ordered this certificate from the GRO they refunded part of my money & stated that "parents were not as listed". I emailed to try & get information as to who the parents were but got no reply.
Has anyone got any ideas on how I can get a reference number in order to purchase the birth certificate. I have also checked Staffordshire BMD - but no luck.
I am in Australia - so cannot go in person & check out anything.
Thanks
Cathy
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Sparkle26
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Hi
On the New York passenger list it's just Thomas & Mary Astbury with their son Willie age 5 no sign of Mary Evelyn
Claire
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avm228
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Hi
On the New York passenger list it's just Thomas & Mary Astbury with their son Willie age 5 no sign of Mary Evelyn
Claire
The same is true of the outbound passenger list from Southampton (SS Paris, dep 7 July 1894).
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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cathyaus
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Hi All
Thanks for your quick replies.
The 1900 US Census states born March 1893 Place of birth England (forgot to add that bit - sorry)> It also says year of immigration & listed next to the mother, older brother & Evelyn it says 1894> The father has 1892 as year of immigration as he went over to the US in 1892 & then back again in 1894. There is another brother listed on the US census but it states he was born in the US - which makes me believe that Evelyn was definately born in England - otherwise they would have listed her like the younger brother.
Assuming ( & I am fairly confident) Evelyn was born in England - then would she have been listed as a passenger on the 1894 trip to New York? She would have been 14 mths old & I assume - not require a bed - so wouldn't be listed as a passenger 
The other dilema that I have been thinking about - is Evelyn arrived in America as a 14 mth old - she either thought she was born in America or else on the 1911 census - the head of the house is her employer - Publican of the Smithfield Hotel. Evelyn after spending 15 odd years in America - would have come back to England with an American accent - so maybe the Head of the house didn't ask her where she was born Who knows - just throwing some ideas out there.
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avm228
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Assuming ( & I am fairly confident) Evelyn was born in England - then would she have been listed as a passenger on the 1894 trip to New York? She would have been 14 mths old & I assume - not require a bed - so wouldn't be listed as a passenger
Her age would not be a reason for her not to be listed. All passengers were requierd to be listed. On the outbound passenger list there are groups of columns for adults & children over 12 years, then children 1-12 years, then "infants" - meaning presumably babies under one year. The passenger list shows individuals in each of these categories, but the only child listed for the Astburys is 5-yr-old Willie.
Very odd indeed!
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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cathyaus
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Looking at the dates you give for her father going to America - I just hope he didn't go early in 1892 ( Mary being born March 1893) otherwise Mrs Astbury migh have had some explaining to do!!!
 I was thinking that ages ago when I first started tracking the trips back & forth to the US. 
The 1892 trip - date of arrival was March 24, 1892 to New York. Maybe he got back to England within 3 months !
Does anyone know how long it took to get from England to New York back in the 1890's ??
Cathy
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avm228
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Does anyone know how long it took to get from England to New York back in the 1890's ??
Cathy
The Astburys' trip in 1894 took a week (dep Southampton 7 July, arr New York 14 July).
Anna 
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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cathyaus
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The only birth that I have located was for a Mary Evelyn Astbury born June Qtr 1893 in Chester (8a 413). When I ordered this certificate from the GRO they refunded part of my money & stated that "parents were not as listed". Have you found this lass in the 1901 census to totally eliminate her ? The name is quite unusual to have 2 born the same time ? Might be worth the £7 piece of mind to get the Cert w/o qualification of parents names (could be a trivial difference thats stopped it being issued)
I thinkt hat I might have to do that - reorder the certificate but this time don't list any parents.
I will check the 1901 census in the morning - it's 11pm here in Sydney.
Thanks to all those that have replied - will check back in the morning
Goodnight all
Cathy
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ah, erm - how do you know her middle name was Evelyn ?
Births Jun 1893
Astbury Mary Chester 8a 413
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cathyaus
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Does anyone know how long it took to get from England to New York back in the 1890's ??
Cathy
The Astburys' trip in 1894 took a week (dep Southampton 7 July, arr New York 14 July). Anna
Hi Anna
Where did you find that info
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Sedgwick- George, Thomas, Charles, Eddie, Harry
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Ruge -Christian, Wilhelm, August, Waldemar. Christian was from Germany(until 1850 then Sth Australia then NSW)
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