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Topic: Help please with finding a birth - Mary Evelyn ASTBURY 1893 (Read 704 times)
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avm228
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Hi Anna Where did you find that info 
I compared the outbound passenger list which I have already referred to (available from the pay site www.findmypast.com) with the ship's passenger manifest as presented to the US authorities on arrival, available inter alia on the free site www.ellisisland.org.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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cathyaus
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ah, erm - how do you know her middle name was Evelyn ?
Births Jun 1893
Astbury Mary Chester 8a 413
I didn't know that with the Chester birth - was clutching at straws & that was the only Mary Astbury I could find that matched the month & year. I thought that maybe they had added the Evelyn later.
Her marriage certificate & death certificate have Mary Evelyn Astbury.
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Wilcockson - Thomas, Joseph, Edward, William Henry
Ruge -Christian, Wilhelm, August, Waldemar. Christian was from Germany(until 1850 then Sth Australia then NSW)
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cathyaus
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Hi Anna Where did you find that info I compared the outbound passenger list which I have already referred to (available from the pay site www.findmypast.com) with the ship's passenger manifest as presented to the US authorities on arrival, available inter alia on the free site www.ellisisland.org. Anna
Thanks Anna
I was only going by the arrival dates from Ellis Island - didn't know that there were Outbound lists from England.
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Sedgwick- George, Thomas, Charles, Eddie, Harry
Wilcockson - Thomas, Joseph, Edward, William Henry
Ruge -Christian, Wilhelm, August, Waldemar. Christian was from Germany(until 1850 then Sth Australia then NSW)
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cathyaus
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Hi Gen
The "Born in America" was on the 1911 census that may have been filled in by the head of the household - the publican / Employer of Evelyn.
The 1900 US Census was filled in by Eveleyn's parents which state she was "Born in England". I think that I would take notice of a form filled in by the parents rather than an employer.
Cathy
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Wilcockson - Thomas, Joseph, Edward, William Henry
Ruge -Christian, Wilhelm, August, Waldemar. Christian was from Germany(until 1850 then Sth Australia then NSW)
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genresearch
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There are a lot of may's in that. The fact is no birth can be found for her in the UK and therefore you go with the obvious. Also census in the US at that time were filled in by the person coming around to the door and if the enumerator as just said where you from to the householder then he could have copied down the same info for all the family.
You are making assumptions that Evelyn's family filled the 1900 in as well what evidence is there to support that? As anyone checked the later census ( I am assuming the later ones have been released.)
Ok the 1920 is on Ancestry (I dont have sub unfortunately) as is the 1930 and the 1920 census as a Mary E ASTBURY born circa 1895 living in Montgomery OH
I would still consider US as the birth. It seems looking at the rules that the enumerator had to follow that if he could not ascertain from the householder the information then he had to answer what he believed to be true. Ill quote "92. General.—Endeavor to obtain a positive answer to each inquiry according to the instructions herein given, but if an answer to any question can not be obtained from the persons in the family or t he neighborhood, as the law requires, enter, in all cases where possible, the answer you believe to be true. In no case should "Unknown" or "Un" be entered, unless every effort to obtain the desired information has been made. "
Rob
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WYATT, COX, STRATTON, all from south Derbyshire and the STS, LEI border
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Necromancer
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I've updated my profile ......
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and of course, she wasnt on the passenger list apparently ...
but I dont agree with your stmt 'therefore you go with the obvious ...' in every context.
Conan Doyle had it right ..... when you've eliminated the Impossible, no matter how improbable the apparent answer .....
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cathyaus
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Ok the 1920 is on Ancestry (I dont have sub unfortunately) as is the 1930 and the 1920 census as a Mary E ASTBURY born circa 1895 living in Montgomery OH
Rob
How does the above help or prove anything ?
In 1920 Mary Evelyn is living in England - married & continues to live in England until she dies in 1958.
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cathyaus
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Update -
I have contacted the Onondaga County Public Library in Syracuse, New York & they have looked up the Vital Records Index for a birth for Mary Evelyn Astbury from 1892 - 1900 & have found no record for the surname Astbury.
I am still no closer to finding a result.
The 1901 census shows a Mary Evelyn Astbury in Chester - so I believe that the birth certificate that I tried to order was definately the wrong one. "My" Mary Evelyn Astbury was living in New York at that time.
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Sedgwick- George, Thomas, Charles, Eddie, Harry
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DudleyWinchurch
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Mary Evelyn ASTBURY - according to the 1900 United States Census, her month & year of birth is listed as May 1893.
Are you sure that it's May and not March?
There is a Mary EVELINE ASBURY listed on FREEREG in March quarter 1893, registered in Burton.
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Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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cathyaus
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Hi Dudley
I have just rechecked the 1900 US Census & it definately says May 1893.
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Ruge -Christian, Wilhelm, August, Waldemar. Christian was from Germany(until 1850 then Sth Australia then NSW)
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DudleyWinchurch
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What a pity,
it seemed a good match for place too.
Other comments:
My great-grandparents's aunt (who had lived with the family for many years) got confused on one census about which of their two eldest children was born in England (the rest all in Dublin). I have the original as well as a copy cert showing that it was my grandfather but in 1901 his older brother was listed as England and himself as Ireland.
I have come across families in my tree where even the parents seem to have got confused between birthdays of their children on the US census (many children, right birthday, wrong child or vv!)
Perhaps, if the child wa not strong, she actually travelled out with a relative, a little later than the parents, after they had time to settle. Have you checked for her on other voyages?
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McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, Cuthbert, Quirk, O'Malley (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)
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