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Topic: Fletchers of Chester, watchmakers (Read 408 times)
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Briannicus
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Dear all,
This is a bit before your time but this site is so wonderful I always hope for something.
I'm trying to tie my GG grandmother, Sarah Fletcher, to the rest of the Fletcher clan of clockmakers in Chester, but so far no luck.
Below are her marriage details.
George Hunt to SARAH FLETCHER 10th September 1841 at Our Lady & St Nicholas, Liverpool. Reg No 176.
George HUNT, Joiner (full age widower) of Ashton Street. Son of John HUNT, Customs Officer.
married
SARAH FLETCHER (full age spinster) of Comus Street.
Daughter of JAMES FLETCHER, Clock & Watchmaker [Jan 14 1787 - Oct 24 1834, 'pool] and Frances Taylor [Jun 5 1787, Chester - March 18 1840, L'pool]
Witnesses - John HUNT & Frances FLETCHER.
We also know that James Fletcher's father was also James Fletcher and that he was a cordwainer.
I actually have a Fletcher gedcom of some 177 people but can't attach the above information to it despite there being may overlaps so am hoping someone out there in genealogy land can help.
Thanks in anticipation,
Brian
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tommy-tipper
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Hi
I take it that you have the marriage of James and Frances 23/5/1808 in Holy Trinity.
My family were cordwainers about that time in Chester and I remember seeing James Fletchers name.
I will have a root to see what I can remember.
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tommy-tipper
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Just remembered a bit more.
The link is in the Freemen of Chester it might be news to you or not but both were Freeman.
Fletcher James Chester Cordwainer 1784 April 16 Indenture (apprenticeship)
Fletcher James Chester Clockmaker 1811 March 6 Birth
I have a funny feeling he was app to my cordwainer but will have to dig up old records to find out.
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Briannicus
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Dear Tommy-tipper
I didn't have the marriage date or place of James Fletcher to Frances Taylor so thank you for that.
What is your connection to the family? They seem to have many apprenticeships within the family. Cousin to cousin or uncle to nephew, I'm not sure.
The freemen of Chester story seems to go back centuries.
If you would like me to send you the gedcom, I'm happy to, so just send a private message and I'll let you have my email.
Brian
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tommy-tipper
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Hi
James was app to James Fletcher cordwainer
I am researching the Morris's and have come to a wall in 1754 sh but after trawling all the records you start to recognize names within that era in Chester lol.
If you require anything else I do have a collection now of records from Chester that may hold a clue,I dare say there are more knowledgable people on here than me tho.
Good luck
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Briannicus
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Hi,
I take it you mean that James Snr. [Cordwainer 1784 April 16 Indenture (apprenticeship)] was apprenticed to another James Fletcher. Is that right?
I am checking because it is possible that James Jnr. whom we have as a clockmaker, didn't actually get into the business until later in life, depending on which piece of (mis)information one believes.
Thanks,
Brian
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tommy-tipper
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Sorry I seem to have taken you far back when after reading your original post you were looking for the clockmaker link.
James the clockmaker was son of James cordwainer.
James the cordwainer was apprentice to James Fletcher cordwainer (possibly his father)
If James was born in 1787 he was a clockmaker by 1811 so not too old.
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Briannicus
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Hi
Thanks.
That's ok. It get's confusing - meaning I get confused because I'm also dealing with information coming it about another branch entirely!! - when you have the same name over generations.
However, you have also told me something I didn't know: sons could have formal apprenticeships with their fathers, and that James was apprenticed to a James.
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Briannicus
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On this tree that I have (found in the College of Arms, London) there is only one James Fletcher, and it says:
Cordwainer and Freeman, City of Chester [this James polled at the General Election in 1784. bapt. 21 November 1708 at Holy Trinity, Chester. m. 29 December 1730 at St. Oswald's, Chester. Buried 3 April 1794 at Holy Trinity, Chester, aged 84
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tommy-tipper
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Nov 21st 1708 James son of Robert Fletcher
I make the burial April 3rd 1791 James Fletcher aged 84yrs (decay of nature)
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Briannicus
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This Robert Fletcher bapt. Apr 16 1781 H. Trinity m. Elizabeth Stuard Oct 23 1707 died. 1719.
Their son, James m. Mary Dennil date below.
They had another Robert Fletcher bapt Sep 12 1731 St. Oswald's. 1788. Started as cordwainer but is probably the father of the father and son clockmakers both called Robert.
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Briannicus
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Sorry that should be 1681
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tommy-tipper
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Work back from what you know you could be on wrong tree,
In answer to the Robert.
Robert son of John Fletcher Bap 17th April 1681
There is a Lawrance Fletcher Baptising around them years too.
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Briannicus
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I am posting the below in case anyone else googles this family.
This what we now know about our Fletchers:
James Fletcher, Cordwainer was apprenticed to a James Fletcher, possibly his father (who was possibly the James Fletcher who married Mary Dennil),
James Snr. was Freeman of the city of Chester 1784 April 16 Indenture (apprenticeship). He was father of
James Fletcher, clockmaker (Jan 14 1787 - Oct 24 1834) (So possibly brother of the first of the well-known Robert Fletchers, clockmakers of Chester, whose mother was Mary Dennil).
He m Frances Taylor (Jun 5 1787, Chester - Mar 18 1840, L'pool) on May 2 1808 at Holy Trinity Church, Chester.
They had
William. b. Feb 21 1809
Frances Elizabeth b. Apr 22 1811 d. Apr. 8 1812
Eleanor b. Apr 21 1813
Maria Francis b. May 25 1814 m. Joseph Duley Apil 21 1841
Mary b. March 17 1815 d. May 1816
Sarah b. Jul 9 1816 d. Aug 27 1888 Kingsleigh, Freshfield, Formy, Lancashire, Married George Hunt 10th September 1841 at St. Nicholas' L'pool
Francis b. Jan 29 1820
Eliza b. Apr 19 1821
James b. Dec 24 1822
Edward Taylor b. Nov 30 1824, Manchester d. May 3 1826, buried in Salford.
Joseph Taylor b. Sep 28 1826 d. Feb 20 1893 bur. L'pool. Founder of JT Fletcher & Co., the shipping line
Elizabeth Mary b. Oct 2 1828
... and then they invented television!!
Regards,
Brian
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barb49
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William Fletcher born 1809, first child of James Fletcher & Frances Taylor is I believe my 3xGreat grandfather. He was a watchmaker by profession.
I would be very interested in having a look at the gedcom you have with regards to the family and exchanging information.
Regards
Barb
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