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donaldridley70
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Marriages?
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Was it common in English counties (Northamptonshire specifically) during the 18th century to "marry" by having Banns read, but not having an actual marriage ceremony?
I was advised that a forebear "married" in this manner but have never seen it confirmed as a practice.
I have found reference to such taking place in some parts of the U.S but not here in Canada
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Jellis
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As far as I know, the Banns being read did not constitute a legal marriage. The Banns were read so that the couple's intentions were made public. If your ancestor had Banns read with no marriage in that parish it could mean that they married in another parish.
Not being an expert I would be interested to read what others have to say. 
Janet
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behindthefrogs
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Having the banns read definitely did not constitute a legal marriage. Where the two partners resided in different parishes the banns would need to be read in both parishes. Occasionally in three parishes if they were married in a third parish although in ths case a marriage by licence was much more usual.
In these cases you thus need to look for the actual marriage in more than one parish.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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donaldridley70
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Thank you Janet and David.
Mayhap you're right David and I should look to another Parish. I take your point that a Banns marriage as I've heard it described, would not be recognized in law, but perhaps the calling of the banns three times may have satisfied the Church?, I don't know.
However, I did find such described as taking place in early American Colonies.
'Family Search' shows my ancestor a Simon Middleton as marrying a Mary Weed/Wead on 25th February 1801 at Thorpe Mandeville, N'hamptonshire. Very specific; however both a relative in England and myself have been unsuccessful in finding the marriage record. This I was told was because no marriage cert was issued as it was a 'banns marriage'.
Sometimes our questions of the past result in more questions than answers,eh.
Would Thorpe Mandeville have been part of another County at one time or Diocese
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southistle
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The marriage ceremony was in the parish church of Thorpe Mandeville
25th Feb 1801.
Simon Middleton was a resident of Thenford, Mary Weed was a single woman and resident of Thorpe Mandeville.
The Banns would have been called on 3 consecutive Sundays before the marriage ceremony, during the morning and/or evening service in front of the congregation.
This would have been in both the parish churches, Thenford anf Thorpe Mandeville.
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behindthefrogs
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I think that there is a huge danger that terminology is being confused in this thread and statements being misinterpreted.
A banns marriage or a marriage by banns usually means a marriage prior to which banns have been called.
This is to distinguish it from a marriage by licence that is a marriage for which no banns were called because a licence has been issued by the bishop prior to the marriage.
Before 1837 it would have been unusual for a certificate to have been issued unless it was specifically requested and paid for. However since a marriage by licence was more likely to take place away from the normal place of residence of the parties it would be more likely for a certificate to be requested.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Jellis
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You make a valid point, David, but I didn't mention marriage by licence as the original question was about whether a marriage was legal after having the Banns read with no actual ceremony.
I must admit that I have never thought about the fact that most pre 1873 couples would have had no paper record of their marriage.
Janet 
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behindthefrogs
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If you examine original parish registers for baptism, marriage or burial you will sometimes find entries annotated by "certificate issued by XXXX on DDMMYYYY". The date of the certificate is often long after the original event.
These are notes made by the vicar or church official when a certificate has been required to confirm the particular event. These are particularly prevalent for baptisms around 1840 and were dated around 1909 when proof of age for the new old age pension (paid at 70) was required.
If you ever come across one of these certificates you will find that while it was usually preprinted it was very simple in format.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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donaldridley70
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Firstly thank you all for your input.
Misinterpretation. Yes, I guess I'd rather interpreted 'banns marriage' as a declaration before the local populace as one's intent to take 'this woman' as a wife but without ceremony. A sort of agnostic compromise, ha,ha.
This, again I thought may be the reason my relative in England had been unable to find detail in Thorpe Mandeville Parish record.
However your words have swayed me and I'll have to try accessing Parish/Diocese records from here. I believe they are available to purchase on line.
So thank you all one again.
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seahall
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Hi All.
Welcome to Rootschat Janet, nice to see another friend here, now you
have been able to get back on.
Donaldridley70 you will see we have already covered this topic for
another Rootschatter here.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06kg/
It may help.
Sandy
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Jellis
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Thanks for the welcome back, Sandy. It's nice to be here.
Also thanks for telling me about the topic already being covered.
Janet
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seahall
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Hi again Janet.
Noting the other topic saves time for all.
Take Care
Sandy
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