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phylbill
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Senghenydd
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My great grandfather died in the 1914 mine disaster, his name was William Prosser, my mother was 5 at the time does anyone have any information on the Prosser family? My mothers family was called Lewis and they went to Senghenydd from Somerset. 
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pinot
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Hi Phylbill and welcome to Rootschat!
The first google result I got for 'William Prosser Senghenydd' gives his name and address, (as are given for the other victims of the disaster) namely 52 High Street, Senghenydd. He was 28 years of age. I expect you or another Rootschatter will be able to find more information.
Best of luck,
Pinot 
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osprey
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Welcome to Rootschat! 
What info do you have on William Prosser? Have you found him on the 1911 census?
This list of the victims of the Senghenydd explosion lists their addresses
http://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/deathrolls/SenghenyddDead1913.htm
The disaster was 1913 by the way, although his death not registered until march qtr 1914.
Is this the marriage reg?
William Prosser june qtr 1906 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 1042 with Annie Lewis on the same page
If you don't have your great-parents marriage certificate, it would help you to get it as it would give you names of fathers & their occupations to work from. Several William Prossers born 1885 ish.
post crossed , but I'll ask the questions anyway!
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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phylbill
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Thanks for such swift replies it felt good that there were folks out there looking out you. I know little of the Prosser family. I have the marriage certificate of William Prosser to Annie Lewis 25th June 1906 at the Wesleyan methodist chapel Caerphilly. William is down as being an engine driver his father was called John (deceased) and he was down as a coal miner. Is his death 1888 Pontypool Vol 11a.
The only other thing I have is the grave certificate of William No H168 Penyrheol Cemetery. As for the 1911 census I have tried on a number of occasion and just draw a blank. Also I wondered if I had found the family in the 1891 census, wife gwen (was she Gwenllian death 1898), children one being a William but then I lose them all again in the 1901 census, realizing of course parents may have both died before this census. I think I'm rambling!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope to visit Senghenydd before the years out
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osprey
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think I can see William on the 1911. If you use the advanced search, search on Annie Prosser with William in the household, year of marriage 1906, in Glamorgan only 1 entry shows up in Pontypridd registration district . You could double check with your mother's name as a household member.
If you find that he was born in Monmouthshire, I have a possible family
1901 Tillery Rd, Abertillery RG13/4936 folio 50 pg 40
John Powell head mar 50 colliery labourere above ground b. Brecon town
Sarah wife 47 b. Blaenavon
James Prosser steson 27 coal haulier below ground b. Blaenavon
George Prosser stepson 20 coal haulier below ground b. Blaenavon
William Prosser stepson 18 coal labourer below ground b. Blaenavon
Elizabeth A Powell dau 11 b. Cwmtillery
1891 in Cwmtillery RG12/4354 folio 16 pg 40
1881 11 Coedcaecradock, Blaenavon RG11/5237 folio 74 pg 15
John Prosser head mar 30 haullier b. Llanfoist
Sarah wife 28
James son 7
John son 5
Sarah Jane dau 3
Thomas son 1
all born Blaenavon except where stated
possible death reg
John Prosser 35 march qtr 1885 Bedwelty vol 11a pg 64
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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phylbill
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Hi, Well found William and Annie living with Annie's father at 51 High Street Senghenydd in the 1911 census, it says he was born in Merthyr Tydvil so I reckon John and gwen Prosser were his parents. So the search continues but I think I may now have a lead.
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phylbill
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Oh gosh, those pictures really show the poverty of the Welsh mining community. I looked at those women and children and wondered if any of them were my relatives as I have no early photos at all. Thanks for posting them. 
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greensleeves
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When I first came across those photographs, they affected me deeply, and still do. Although I have no connection with anyone involved in the disaster, I don't think anyone could look at them without appreciating the raw misery which they portray.
If you have not yet visited the Big Pit at Blaenavon (which is part of the National Museum of Wales), I am sure you would find the mining exhibitions there very informative. There is quite a lot of information about various mining disasters in Wales, and you can also go down the pit to see how people used to work.
Regards,
Greensleeves
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Suffolk: Pearl(e) & variations - Brettenham, Hitcham,Rattlesden; Waddilove - Rattlesden and possibly Norfolk. Garnham - Belstead, Ipswich & area.
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick - West Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Merrington.
Shadforth - Hartlepool/Stockton
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Dingaling
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::)Hi Phybill..I read with interest of your ancestry involving the Senghenydd Mine Disaster.. My husbands grandfather also was killed in the mine disaster. I have just located his (Robert William Evans) burial place ..Penyrheol Cemetery...In 2013 the 100th year anniversary will occur I hope that we can make the trip from Australia to visit Senghenydd and Penyrhoel Cemetery.
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Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,BrownShipton,Hockey.....England
Coleman,Evans,Parsey,Jenkins,....Wales
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phylbill
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Hello Dingaling
My grandfather is also in the Penyrheol cemetery and one of the things I do have is the bill from Caerphilly Urban District Council. His grave is no H168 it cost 7 shillings and 6 pence 10 shillings to bury him 3 shillings and 6 pence to enter his name on the register, 2 shilling and 6 pence for a certificate and 5 shillings for stamp of grant of right of burial. A grand total of 1 pound 8 shillings and 6 pence. I wonder if anything will be done to mark the centenary, worth a little investigation I think. Shame I know so much about his death but so little about his birth and short life. phylbill
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Dingaling
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Hi Phybill...I only found where my husbands Grandfather Robert William Evans was buried last week after many years of family research. I wonder if there are any headstones but I feel there would not be in our case the families income was very limited...When Robert Evans died he left a family of four children the fourth child born seven days after his death the child Robert William Evans named after his father was fostered by a relative and to this day we have no knowledge of his whereabouts. My mother in law was only two when her father died and seventeen when her mother Emma Evans past away so family details were limited. I have been able to purchase two books on the Mine Disaster 1..The Valley of the Shadow by John H Brown and 2..Senghenyyd a Brave Communityy by J Basil Phillips. Have you search the records to see if your family received compensation I believe that the families were awarded so much per child unfortunately there is no record of Emma Evans receiving any compensation. I hope that there will be a rememberance ceremony...
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Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,BrownShipton,Hockey.....England
Coleman,Evans,Parsey,Jenkins,....Wales
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phylbill
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I also have the Basil Phillips book, I have no idea what compensation was given, my mother was five and another baby was on the way born the following March, my gran remarried and had two further children one is still alive living in a home in Bristol, she has dementia so unable to talk to her about the past, which is very sad really. The saddest thing is not having any photo's from those early days I guess they were too poor to have had photo's taken. The research is very time consuming but I shall keep going. I hope to go to Senghenydd before the year is out and will visit the grave yard it will be interesting to see if there are any gravestones. Phylbill
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Dingaling
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Hi Phybill, I am trying to locate a map of Penyrhoel Cemetery to show the different sections of the cemetery...may I ask if you do manage to visit the cemetery and have time to spare if you can also take a photo of my Robert William Evans grave...I have been told by the authorities
Robert William Evans is buried in SECTION B PLOT O-454...Kind Regards Dingaling
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Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,BrownShipton,Hockey.....England
Coleman,Evans,Parsey,Jenkins,....Wales
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phylbill
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It will be a pleasure, I will let you know when I plan to go.
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