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mum mum
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Warnes - Hansen Auckland, help please.
« on: Friday 15 May 09 23:06 UTC (UK) »

Hi everyone,
My  GG Grandparents spent some time in NZ around 1870 and again in 1880. I need some help finding details.
Mary Susannah Hansen was born in Riverhead, father listed as Phillip Hansen, farmer,we have her birth certificate.
The Hansen's travelled to Australia in 1871 along with members of the Warnes family, these were Susannah's brothers and son from a previous marriage.

In 1880 I believe John Warnes travelled back to Auckland with Amelia Williams [ Susannah's daughter from another marriage]
I think Amelia's son Angus williams may have been with them. Amelia and John had a daughter Emily Ann in NZ in 1880, there was another daughter Agnes Amy born around 1880, I cannot find where.

Confused? So am I, can you give me some websites to search? I have seen mention of a BDM site, can someone send me the link please.

Anything about Riverhead in the late 1870's?
Shipping records leavving NZ?

Hoping I can get some ideas where to look.
Thannks mum mum.

They came back to Australia in 1882 but I can't see what happened to Angus
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Re: Warnes - Hansen Auckland, help please.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 May 09 23:19 UTC (UK) »

Here is the BMD link
http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/Home/


And here is another reference sites that might help. 
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/
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Re: Warnes - Hansen Auckland, help please.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 May 09 23:20 UTC (UK) »


....  can you give me some websites to search?    I have seen mention of a BDM site, can someone send me the link please.


Hi mum mum

You'll find the NZ BMD link, in the Resources section of this board.   Smiley

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Re: Warnes - Hansen Auckland, help please.
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 May 09 23:46 UTC (UK) »

Hi
thanks, they should keep me occupied for the day.
mum mum
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Re: Warnes - Hansen Auckland, help please.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 May 09 00:30 UTC (UK) »

Hi again


My GG Grandparents spent some time in NZ around 1870 and again in 1880. I need some help finding details.

Mary Susannah Hansen was born in Riverhead, father listed as Phillip Hansen, farmer,we have her birth certificate.

The Hansen's travelled to Australia in 1871 along with members of the Warnes family, these were Susannah's brothers and son from a previous marriage.

Confused?


Yes, very confused.    Cheesy
 
But it might help us, (to help you   Smiley )  if we can have some dates  .... and also clarification on the relationships you mention above.

*    (Mary) Susannah HANSEN   ... you have her NZ birth certificate.   
What year was she born ?    
(Couldn't see the birth registration on the NZ index ?)

   

The Hansen's travelled to Australia in 1871 along with members of the Warnes family, these were Susannah's brothers and son from a previous marriage.


*    Who are the WARNES family ??

*    "These were Susannah's brothers"  ... her brother's had the surname WARNES  ...  is that correct ?

*    What information do you have for Susannah's children - Amelia and Angus ?     Do you have their dates of birth ?

(Am presuming Susannah married "a  ?  WILLIAMS" in Australia ?)


Lu


       
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Re: Warnes - Hansen Auckland, help please.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 16 May 09 01:00 UTC (UK) »

HI again,
My GG Grandparent, Susannah nee Warnes [Wornes] married Charles Phillip Hansen.

Daughter Mary Sussanah Hansen born Riverhead NZ 1870. [ have birth certificate]

Amelia Williams was Susannah Warnes daughter from 1st marriage.
Amelia travelled to NZ in 1880 with John Wornes, [Susannah's brother]
Amelia and John Wornes had a daughter Emily Ann in NZ in 1881. [ just checked that on the links you sent me]

Amelia's child Angus is listed on the New South Wales BDM as being born in 1978, father unknown.
I m not even sure Angus was  a boy or girl Agnes, BDM says Angus, one of the other relatives says Agnes was female.

I had a look for any deaths for a child of williams or Wornes but cant find anything. what I'm really after are ships records showing them coming into NEW Zealand in 1880 or leaving for Australia in 1882.
mum mum


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Re: Warnes - Hansen Auckland, help please.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 16 May 09 01:42 UTC (UK) »

Hi mum mum 

Wink

Okay   ... so you were referring to Susannah HANSEN (nee WARNES  or  WORNES)  who you've only mentioned as a GG grandparent in your initial post.   (And the confusion arose due to the name "Mary Susannah" being included, and then followed by talk of a "Susannah" ... who we now see is in fact the mother of "Mary Susannah" ).    Sorted ??   Smiley


 ....what I'm really after are ships records showing them coming into NEW Zealand in 1880 or leaving for Australia in 1882.


Hmmm ... unfortunately, there are very few passenger records for voyages to and from Australia in this particular time frame.   Sad      If they travelled from Victoria, then there are some lists available on the PROV website (VIC to NZ ports  ... as well as arrivals into VIC from NZ).    You could also check "Mariners in Australian Waters" (which includes passenger lists) on the NSW website.
If you have a more precise idea of when they might have travelled, then you may find something in the shipping columns, at (NZ's) PapersPast website (see Resources section here, for the link).

Sorry, can't be of more assistance.

Lu





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Re: Warnes - Hansen Auckland, help please.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 16 May 09 01:46 UTC (UK) »

Thanks,
I found them on the Mariners records, thats how I know they went to NZ. I was hoping that there was something similar there. I dont know NZ at all, I am presuming that Riverhead, where Mary Susannah was born is or was somewhere near Auckland, and that they returned to there in 1880.
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Re: Warnes - Hansen Auckland, help please.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 16 May 09 02:04 UTC (UK) »

Hi mum mum

Try a google search for "Riverhead New Zealand"   ... (seems there might be a museum or such in, or nearby, which has pioneer records for the district ?).

You could also try our PapersPast website.

Good luck.

Lu
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Re: Warnes - Hansen Auckland, help please.
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 16 May 09 03:54 UTC (UK) »

If you are after some general information on Riverhead you could try this site. 

http://www.kumeudistrict.co.nz/

I live approx 5 minutes from Riverhead so if I can be of any assistance please let me know. 
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Re: Warnes - Hansen Auckland, help please.
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 16 May 09 07:37 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for that website, it actually gives me a hint. Charles Hansen and his daughter Mary both went on to be 'fruiterers', I think his brother may have been an orchardist here in Albury NSW.

I would guess that Charles, sometime around 1870 probably had an orchard of some sort. Why he left NZ I dont know. If you ever get the opportunity to find out anything about Hansen or Warnes between 1868 and 1882 in Riverhead please let me know.
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Re: Warnes - Hansen Auckland, help please.
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 16 May 09 19:06 UTC (UK) »

I would guess that Charles, sometime around 1870 probably had an orchard of some sort. Why he left NZ I dont know. If you ever get the opportunity to find out anything about Hansen or Warnes between 1868 and 1882 in Riverhead please let me know.
mum mum

The area around Riverhead and Kumeu had many orchards in the era you are referring to however, lack of roading to get the produce to Auckland caused many to give up and move on.

You will find references to this in "Tall Spars, Steamers and Gum" by Wayne Ryburn, a very interesting read on the history of the Kaipara region from 1854 on.

Alan NZ
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Re: Warnes - Hansen Auckland, help please.
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 08 August 09 23:54 UTC (UK) »

Hi,
Re the offer to have a look in the Riverhead museum.
mum mum


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