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Topic: Brocksopp, Derby look up please. COMPLETED THANK YOU (Read 282 times)
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lizdb
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Now this may be a red herring, maybe clutching at too thin a straw, but I think it is worth thinknig about.
I see on 1861 that Patience is described as a Farmers widow and her place of birth looks like "Haltmuckel" or something like that!
How about
1851
HO107 2147 304 29
North Wingfield
Henry Brocksopp 49 Farmer bn Ault Hucknell (see the connection!!)
Phoebe 43 bn Ault Hucknell Bramley Lane
Samuel 19 bn Riley???
John 17 bn Northedge Ashover
Henry 15 bn Northedge
Harriett 13 bn N
Elizabeth 11 bn N
Phoebe 8 bn N
Hannah 6 bn N
Mary 4 bn N
MAry Gann (or Genn?) wid 50 relative bn Bramley Lane Ault hucknell
Martha Blocksopp 49 unm relative bn Dronfield
Now - is it possible that Phoebe is Patience??
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lizdb
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1841 doesnt give us any more clues
Ho107 196 12
North Wingfield
Henry 39 farmer
Phoebe 33
Samuel 9
John 7
Henry 5
Hariet 3
Elizabeth 1
When you found John's christening were there any chr of siblings?
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lizdb
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However, in 1861 Henry is now widowed
so Phoebe has died
so she cant be Patience!
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lizdb
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My next attempt ...!
I see in 1861 Patience and John are living in Sheffield
how about this is 1841 for Patience?
HO107 1333 8
Hanover Square Sheffield
Patience Blocksopp (indexed Patricia) 30 Not bn in county
If her, I wonder who is looking after little John?
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lizdb
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Here she is in 1851
Indexed as Catrina ... but I am happy image is Patience
Ho107 2338 442 29
Regent Street Sheffield
Patience Brocksopp 39 upholsterer bn Derbyshire
William Naylor 53 visitor bn Sheffield
Mary Naylor 53 visitor bn Sheff.
It looks as if she is Unmarried rather than widowed, but hard to read. Maybe the 'farmers widow' bit was to keep her respectability once her son joined her!
Again no John with her in 1851, I wonder who brought him up.
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lizdb
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Here is John in 1851
HO107 2148 57 5
Black Bulll Yard,Bolsover
John Saunders 58 Miller bn Derbyshire
Rebecca 52 bn Derbyshire
Charlotte 29 dtr unm bn Notts
Anne 17 dtr unm bn Notts
John Johnson grandson 7 bn Ireland
John Brocksopp 15 nephew servant bn Sutton Derbyshire
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lizdb
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Yep - we've got it! He was brought up by Uncle and Auntie Saunders it seems, who as we see from childrens birthplaces, hung out in Nottingham
1841
Ho107 861 4
Skegby, Nottingham
John Saunders 48 Miller Yes
Rebecca 42 Y
Elizabeth 26 Y
Rochard 15 Y
Thomas 13 Y
Hannah 9 Y
Grace 2 Y
John Brocksop 4 No
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lizdb
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And for the icing on the cake
IGI has marriage
29 Dec 1817 - Ault Hucknell
Rebecca Brocksopp to John Saunders
So it looks like :
Patience was Rebeccas sister.
John was illegitimate
John was brought up by Aunt Rebecca but ten lived with mother in adulthood
The Brocksopp family from Ault Hucknell (Phoebe and Henry etc) are probably closely linked. May have given Patience the "farmers widow" idea if the Brocksopps were a farming family.
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janan
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Sorry to muscle in on your brilliant detective work Liz, but could this be her baptism?
Patience Brocksopp 12 FEB 1809 Ault Hucknall parents John Brocksopp and Hannah
Jan 
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sunflower
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Hi all
I though the name seemed familiar. There is also someone else researching the Brocksopp name on this site.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,277251.0.html
Carol
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Derby- Bamford,Slater,Marriott,Lee,Fox,Hopkinson,Hawksley, Furniss, Froggatt, Stodd. Notts - Breeding, Lacey Marriott ,Kershaw,Chambers,Geeson,Mitchell,Watts,Peel,Potts,Slack,Robinson, Cooper Yorkshire - Potts, Bell, Derbyshire, Kershaw Worcestershire - Dyson, Summers, Dearn, Jones Warwickshire - Russon Leicestershire - Stodd, Sarson, Berridge, Watts, Bradshaw. Middlesex / Surrey - Markham, Pearce, Kalaher, Barrett This information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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marp
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Wow! Just browsing through Rootschat and here I find some long lost and very distant relatives. My great great grandparents were John Saunders and Rebecca Brocksopp who married at Ault Hucknall on 29 December 1817.
For those who do not know Derbyshire by the way, Ault Hucknall is quite near Hardwick Hall.
My great grandmother was Elizabeth Saunders (daughter of John and Rebecca) who married Joseph Millns on 20 June 1843 at North Wingfield. She is the Elizabeth age 26 in the posting for the 1841 census in Skegby by Mansfield, Nottinghamshire.
So thanks for your brilliant detective work everyone as I had hit a brickwall and could find nothing with regard to the parents of John Saunders or Rebecca. Brocksopp.
Thanks a million! I had more or less given up on them.
Incidentally, any information on Joseph Millns who married Elizabeth would be much appreciated.
Thanks everyone!
marp
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marp
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Hi, just been reading the posts again. I do not think that John Brocksopp and Hannah Shaw married 16 July 1821 were the parents of Rebecca and Patience. After all Rebecca was born around 1799 and married John Saunders on 29 December 1817. It looks as if John Brocksopp could have been a brother of Rebecca and Patience or some other relative.
cheers, marp
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