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xpq194z
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nephew.
« on: Thursday 25 June 09 22:01 UTC (UK) »
hi. have james smith died 1895.stanningley. age 30.
on cert.says john emmett .nephew present at death.
james was married to grace ann illingworth.who died in 1915. stanningley.
could some-one tell me how to go about finding .the newphew. john emmett. is it possible married a illingworth
tried searching  no luck.am sure was not a smith .have no john smith in my family line at all.
am hoping not posted this question before.
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CaroleW
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Re: nephew.
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 25 June 09 22:39 UTC (UK) »
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have no john smith in my family line at all

He was John Emmett - not Smith

He could have been born as the result of a female Illingworth/male Emmett marriage or a female Smith/male Emmett marriage

Have you searched freebmd for any such marriages?
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xpq194z
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Re: nephew.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 26 June 09 00:06 UTC (UK) »
hello carole. yes had tried putting a marriage .but alas nothing comes up.
thanks for replying. its a puzzle at present.?
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perth tiger
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Re: nephew.
« Reply #3 on: Friday 26 June 09 05:13 UTC (UK) »
i would try finding john emmet in the census first then his birth then try and trace him from that.
if you could post some details of where john smith was in 1891 and grace in 1901 it might help to look up

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davey hodgson holliday nelson oxberry ruddock sidebottom
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Re: nephew.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 26 June 09 07:10 UTC (UK) »
Christened        Born                                                                               
1870 12 04     1863 12 21     Grace Ann     ILLINGWORTH  parents -    William     Mary     
Occupation
Mill Hand
The above was extracted from calverley.info
Have a look around the site, Stanningley St Thomas is the church to look for.
Regards Brian
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Re: nephew.
« Reply #5 on: Friday 26 June 09 07:29 UTC (UK) »
hi brian. thank you. have all grace illingworth information.
birth cer. marriage. and death. alas no information if a stone
at the church .have plot number. but cannot get a reply from the church.it puzzling.about john emmett. as i do not no when he was born.even if he came from stanningley?
as i said .only have .the name on james william smiths death cert.am pretty sure he was never a smith.but could be proved wrong.
thanks for your help.
                                      mike
                                           
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xpq194z
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Re: nephew.
« Reply #6 on: Friday 26 June 09 07:31 UTC (UK) »
hi.perth tiger. grace illingworth.lived at 17 william street .
stanningley. thats where she died.
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Re: nephew.
« Reply #7 on: Friday 26 June 09 08:35 UTC (UK) »
I have the Stanningley registers here.
James William Smith husband of Grace Ann died 1895 05 16 aged 30years (check)
Grace Ann Smith wife of James William died  1915 04 12 aged 51years (check)
(Grave stone indicated, but I don't have an image) plot No Gs 37
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Re: nephew.
« Reply #8 on: Friday 26 June 09 08:44 UTC (UK) »
hi brian. thanks you. did wonder if a stone was put up.
if and when .get to leeds. will see about a photo.
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Re: nephew.
« Reply #9 on: Friday 26 June 09 09:23 UTC (UK) »
i dont know if you have this

1891
james william smith 26 g lab selby
grace ann smith       27         farsley
john w                       8          stanningley
harry                          1          stanningley
william illingworth      72 mill hand   stanningley

they were living at 13 william street bramley





           
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Re: nephew.
« Reply #10 on: Friday 26 June 09 09:42 UTC (UK) »
hi perth tiger.
                     yes.thank you have this. grace moved to number 17 william street after james smith died . sadly at only aged 30.grace never remarried.as stated died in 1915.
have a lovely old photo of the illingworth clan . sent to me.
quite chuffed. taken after james smith died alas.
thank again for your intrest.because thats how some-thing could turn up. which i do not no.
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Re: nephew.
« Reply #11 on: Friday 26 June 09 10:29 UTC (UK) »
do yopu know were william and mary illingworth where in 1861, had they married by then? in 1871 there are only grace and joseph with them, were they any more children


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Re: nephew.
« Reply #12 on: Friday 26 June 09 10:37 UTC (UK) »
was graces mothers maiden name hudson?
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perth tiger
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Re: nephew.
« Reply #13 on: Friday 26 June 09 11:19 UTC (UK) »
if i have this right so far i have a link to john emmett. i cant prove any of this as fact but bear with me
in 1851 william illingworth is lodging with mercy hudson and her daughter rhoda ann.
i think mercy dies and william is married to mary hudson possibly her sister in 1857. there is a marriage in 1861 and on the same page is rhoda ann hudson and john emmott
i cant find them on any census though.
in 1882 there is a marriage of john emmett and martha ellen coulson. as far as i can see their first daughter is called rhoda. i think this john emmett could be the son of john emmott and rhoda hudson
tenuos i know but it does work


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Re: nephew.
« Reply #14 on: Friday 26 June 09 11:47 UTC (UK) »
hello.perth tiger. just seen your reply.you have done wonders.tried myself.no luck. have dug out graces birth cert.
says  21st dec 1863 farsley. girl.father william illingworth.
then says. print is very small. and tight together.
mary illingworth.late hudson.formerly baker.
your on the right track.
thanks ever so much.
been bugging me for a while now . who is this john emmett.
                                    mike
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