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Royal Engineers in Lancashire
« on: Thursday 25 June 09 23:03 BST (UK) »

Hi

This question stems from a post which I put up a while ago looking for a War Memorial.  I got great results - link when I find it!.  Mark's posts on here this week also set me thinking, but I thought I'd start a new one rather than hijack onme of his.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/06kb/

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Sorry, this was the original link for the full story!  Also a brilliant photo from Ken!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,309450.45.html

Emms


This was the memorial which I had an old photograph of, on wjich my Grandmother's cousin William Diggle appeared.  It turned out to be Collyhurst, and I received some lovely photo's of it fully restored today.

I'd hoped to find more information on his military career.  I've pretty well covered the family side.  I haven't found a surviving service record, or any information elsewhere.

Mark's posts set me thinking though.  I'm puzzled now.  I know military buffs will think this is obvious, but how many Royal Engineers Regiments were there?  I was surprised to see Signals etc.  I thught he was just inb the Royal Engineers, Number 81328.

How many different types of Royal Engineers were there in Lancashire, and am I likely to find any more information in Lancashire, as I've failed elsewhere?

Any ideas gratefully received!

(I do know he's buried at Chipilly Cemetery. (CWGCD).

Thank you again for those who spent all the time on the original quest!  I hope it's still looking as good having been damaged once!

Best wishes

Emms
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Re: Royal Engineers in Lancashire
« Reply #1 on: Friday 26 June 09 03:57 BST (UK) »





Hi Emms !

Are you sure you have the right W Diggle ? .... it's just that that field company weren't from Lancashire !

202nd Field Company Royal Engineers

http://www.reubique.com/202fc.htm

In Memory of
Corporal W DIGGLE

81328, 202nd Field Coy., Royal Engineers
who died
on 20 March 1916

Remembered with honour
CHIPILLY COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION
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Re: Royal Engineers in Lancashire
« Reply #2 on: Friday 26 June 09 07:17 BST (UK) »





Hi Emms !

Are you sure you have the right W Diggle ? .... it's just that that field company weren't from Lancashire !

202nd Field Company Royal Engineers

http://www.reubique.com/202fc.htm

In Memory of
Corporal W DIGGLE

81328, 202nd Field Coy., Royal Engineers
who died
on 20 March 1916

Remembered with honour
CHIPILLY COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION
hiya annie.
the 202nd field coy were from lancashire,they were part of the county palatine regt of lancashire.
they were part of 30th division,who were made up of infantry battalions from liverpool+manchester,89th brigade were liverpool pals,90th+91st brigades were the manchester pals

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Re: Royal Engineers in Lancashire
« Reply #3 on: Friday 26 June 09 08:44 BST (UK) »

The Royal Engineers are as far as I am concerned a fascinating subject for research and sadly, their service is not as fully appreciated as it should be.

I have examples of men from the 55th Division's RE units acting as
Signalers
Motorcycle dispatch riders
Combat engineers
Bomb/mine disposal
Tunnelers
Snipers-I am aware of several gallantry awards given for for acting as snipers

The War Diaries vary from excellent (419 Field Company) to poor (55th Div Sigs) and should always be checked as some go as far as putting map references in for the location of where individuals were killed or wounded.  I am fortunate in so far as the St Helens papers carried a great deal of information on "my" units, including photos of some of the men and articles on them when they were wounded, killed or received awards.

My knowledge is specific to the units I am researching and I am more than willing to help anyone who may have a relative who served.  I was recently  able to inform a family member exactly where his g.grandfather was killed as the war diary contained the map ref!  He will now be going to France to visit the grave and the site itself.

Try this link:
http://www.1914-1918.net/re.htm

Mark
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55th West Lancashire Division in World War 1:

419, 422 &423 Field Coy RE & 55th Divisional Signal Company RE
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Re: Royal Engineers in Lancashire
« Reply #4 on: Friday 26 June 09 08:51 BST (UK) »

Emms

It would be worth you trying to obtain a copy of these:

F.C. Stanley, History of the 89th Brigade, 1914-1918 (1919). A history of the Liverpool
Pals Brigade (17th - 20th Battalions) by the Brigade Commander.

§ G. Maddocks, The Liverpool Pals (1991). Detailed history of the 17th - 20th Battalions
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419, 422 &423 Field Coy RE & 55th Divisional Signal Company RE
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Re: Royal Engineers in Lancashire
« Reply #5 on: Friday 26 June 09 13:26 BST (UK) »

Wow, Thank you one and all!

There is evidently more to this than meets the eye, and it looks fascinating!

I shall peruse all of that and try and take it in!  I've had a look on the website about the formation of the units and it explains quite a bit and gives me more to think about!

Thank you again!

Best wishes Emmd
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Re: Royal Engineers in Lancashire
« Reply #6 on: Friday 26 June 09 19:36 BST (UK) »

one of their most dangerous jobs,was to go in after the infantry,and "turn"the captured trenches around.
the fronts of trenches are made bullet proof,by inserting timber baulks,bricks or iron plate in between the sandbags,but the reverse of the trench isnt bullet proof
when a trench is captured,they have to make the reverse,bullet proof,because its now the front of the trench,and they have to repair much of the trench,because our artillery has pounded it,all this is done under shell and machine gun fire
if my memory serves me correct,the RE have won the most VCs.

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 26 June 09 21:59 BST (UK) »

HI This is great!

Thank you very much Mack!  I'd often wondered how they managed to build the trenches I'd seen pictures of in a battlefield situation, but it osunds like just what you said, under fire, in great danger.

I must try for the books you've listed and sometime this weekend, read again everything you've written!

Best wishes

Emms
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 26 June 09 22:29 BST (UK) »



Sorry Emms for telling you wrong !  Undecided

Listen to these two boys !!  Smiley
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