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Topic: 1851/61/71 census look-up please GODDARD - COMPLETED (Read 443 times)
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SC
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I would appreciate finding Thomas Goddard and his family in the 1851/61/71 censuses
Thomas was a brushmaker born in London 1820, his wife Mary is from Derbyshire and as far as I can gather they were always in Derbyshire
Married possibly around 1844 ish but not yet confirmed - a few possibles
Mary died in 1881 before the census and Thomas died in 1903
Among their children so we can establish the correct family were an Ellen Kate 1849, a Matilda born abt 1855 and Rose Evelyn 1859
Any help would be much appreciated
Thanks
SC
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g eli
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In the 1851 Census Thomas was living at 15 Saddler Gate Derby,where he was a brush maker employing 10 men and
? boys.
Thomas born London
Mary born Derbyshire
Sarah 5 "
Mary 3 "
Ellen 1 "
1861 still living at Saddler Gate employing 7 men & 4 boys
Thomas
Mary
Sarah 16 born Derby
Mary 13 born Repton Derbyshire
Ellen 11 "
Matilda 6 born Derby
Rose E 2 "
Frederick 8 "
Henry 4 "
!871 still at Saddler Gate
Thomas brush maker
Mary
Ellen 21
Matilda 16
Rose 12
Frederick 18 brush maker
Henry 14 railway clerk
Hope this is of some use.
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SC
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Hi g eli
Thank you very much for the censuses
It will indeed be very helpful
Does Mary give the name of a town as place of birth by any chance or just Derbyshire?
I will need to find this as I have to try and track her down??
Thanks
SC
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suzard
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1851 ref HO107 2143 807 21
Thomas b london
Mary b St peters Derby
Sarah b St Werburghs derby
Mary b repton derbys
Elen b Repton Derbys there is also Anne Roome? Servant 17 Markeaton Derby
1861 ref RG9 2504 75 1
Thomas b London
mary b derby
also faith bailey 21 General servant Bradford yorks
1871 ref RG10 3563 7 8
Thomas b London
mary and children all b All Saints Derby
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi suzard
Thank you very much for that extra information, that will help
Also I have now found some baptisms for the children on the IGI so that's great
Thanks
SC
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Hi,
The name of the Brush Manufacturer appears to be "James Goddard", 15 Sadler Gate, Derby, Is this an
indication as to the name of the Father of Thomas Goddard?
In the street lists, resident at 15 Sadler Gate, Derby is Thomas Goddard.
This information is taken from:-
Freebody's Directory of Derby, Chesterfield etc. 1852. You can see this information on line at:-
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp
Also in The DERBY Mercury Newspaper is the following:-
Issue Wednesday 21st June 1871
MARRIAGES
Price-Goddard On the 12th Instant, at St. Margaret's Church Westminster, by the vicar.
Mr. Henry Price of Tufton Street Westminster to Sarah Smith, eldest daughter of Mr. Thomas Goddard,
Sadler Gate, Derby.
There may be other newspaper articles, will keep looking and let you know.
Spendlove
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Hi,
Further posts from The Derby Mercury:-
Issue Wednesday 25th September 1861
DEATHS
On Thursday the 19th September, Charles, son of Mr. Thomas Goddard, Sadler Gate, Derby aged 6 weeks.
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Issue Wednesday 24th April 1872
MARRIAGES
Taylor-Goddard April 11 at Christ Church, Plymouth by the Rev. W H Allin. Mr. Harry Taylor to Mary
second daughter of Mr. Thos. Goddard, brush manufacturer, Saddler Gate, Derby.
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Issue Wednesday 18th April 1877
DEATHS.
Price - April 10, in London Mrs. Sarah Smith Price, eldest daughter of Mr. T. Goddard, Sadler Gate, Derby
aged 32.
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Issue Wednesday 30th September 1885
DEATHS
GODDARD - On the 18th Sept., at Sadler Gate, Ellen Kate, third daughter of Thos. Goddard aged 35.
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Because of the name of the eldest daughter of Thomas Goddard - Sarah Smith Goddard info from her marriage
as previously posted and her death, I suggest that the maiden name of her mother was "Mary Smith"
If this is the case, I suggest a possible marriage:-
June Quarter 1842 Burton on Trent Vol. 17 Pg. 3 .
Repton, the place of Birth given in the Census for Mary Goddard falls within the Burton on Trent Registration District.
Regards
Spendlove
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SC
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Hi spendlove
Thank you so much for all this wonderful info which I do not have access to as I live abroad
Having found some christenings on the IGI for some of the children I had come to the same conclusion that mother must be Mary Smith so that marriage is probably the one I need
It is great that the children's marriages were mentioned in the local paper even though they took place elsewhere so is it possible that Rose Evelyn's might also be reported even though it took place in Nottingham in 1876 ? (Sep Qtr to George Parr)
The son Charles I might not have found because it's between censuses
Re the 1852 trade directory I'm not sure what to make of that entry for James because it was Thomas living at 15 Saddler Gate and from the census info it doesn't look as though he's living with his father
I only know Thomas was born about 1820 in London and have no chr for him or anything
Lots to work on here
Thank you so much for your interest in this
SC
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Hello,
The information on line for the Derby Mercury Newspaper is from 1800 - 1900, so not possible to
see if there was an entry for the death of Thomas in 1903. I would try posting a request on this
site asking for a look up in the Mercury film copies of which are held at Derby Local Studies Library.
I have found no further entries relating to the Goddard Family in the newspaper, other than those
I sent by private message.
Regarding the entry in the Trade Directory for a James Goddard of Sadler Gate, I just wondered if
this James could have started the brush making business and the name had been retained for business purposes
by his son Thomas.
There is another odd thing, which needs further investigation, I have found on the 1841 Census
HO 107/199 book 18 Folio 21 Pge 37 Sadler Gate, Derby
Smith George 55 Brush Maker Not born Derbyshire
" George Jnr. 12 Derbys
" Sarah 45 Derbys
" MARY 21 "
" Ann 20 "
" Sarah 19 "
" Maria 17 "
" Helen 10 "
Because of a notice in the Newspaper 14.11.1849 George Smith is dead, "daughter of the Late Mr. George Smith
of Sadler Gate". It is quite possible that Thomas Goddard married this Mary Smith and took over the brush making
business. However if this is the case, I would have expected the marriage to take place in Derby!
Mary Goddard died March Quarter 1881 aged 63 Derby 7b 315.
The following is a connection to Derbyshire Record Office, Matlock, showing wills of which they have copies.
Thomas Goddard is listed 1903. You can request a photo copy for which there will be a charge:-
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/leisure/record_office/our_collection/derbyshirewills/default.asp
Should I come across anything else I will let you know,
Good Luck
Spendlove
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SC
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Hi spendlove
Thank you so much for all this extra info you have found
From the 1841 census entry it certainly looks as though Thomas could have married George Smith's daughter Mary - living on same street probably
However I just realised that I don't know where Thomas was - I don't have him in 1841 (unmarried but probably in Derby at this point if he married Mary the next year)
However the marriage did take place somewhere in Derby - Burton-on-Trent Dist 1842 - so very possible and I will pursue this further
Maybe George Smith and Thomas or a James were both running the brush making business or your theory could equally well be possible
George Smith I see was also not b in Derbyshire
Thanks for the site re the wills - will e-mail them and see if I can get Thomas's and then maybe see if I can get an obituary
Many thanks for all this
SC
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Hi,
Re the possible marriage of Thomas Goddard 1842 in the Registration District of Burton on Trent.
If this is the marriage, then he certainly married in DerbySHIRE but not actually in the Town of DERBY.
If both bride and groom were living in the town of Derby, you would normally expect them to marry there,
in which case they would come under the Registration District of DERBY.
Mary states in one Census that she was born in Repton, Derbyshire. Repton is within the Burton on Trent
Registration district so one could assume she was getting married where she lived i.e. Repton. If this is
the case she may not be the daughter of George Smith, Brushmaker of Sadler Gate.
Can only suggest you purchase the marriage document of 1842, BOT, this will then give you the name of
the Father of the Bride & Groom.
In the 1841 Census I think this may be the entry for Thomas Goddard:-
HO107 Book 14, Folio 10, Page 15
Traffic Street, Derby.
Goddard Thomas 21 Plumber Not born in Derbyshire
" Frederick 12 Born in Derbyshire
The marriage records for Repton are not on the IGI, you could contact your nearest Latter Day Saints Center
to see if they could order the Film of Repton Parish Church Registers.
Spendlove
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SC
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Hi spendlove
Thank you for the latest information and yes I will certainly follow this up as you have raised some very valid points
If the 1841 census is correct then Thomas certainly switched occupations!
Many thanks
SC
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g eli
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In 1941 there was another Goddard living at the same address Frederick,also at the same address were Ralph and Frances Dobson ,Frances was a Goddard before her marriage to Ralph in Ilkeston Derbyshire 11 July 1834,according to later census she was born in Kent around 1810 , according to IGI there was a Thomas Goddard married to a Frances Foster in 1806 at Dartford Kent .Possible parents for Frances, Frederick and Thomas,if its the same Thomas changing occupation due to marriage,and it is a big if, this might give you other avenues to explore.
Hope you can follow this.
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g eli
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Further to Frances Foster being the mother of Thomas there is is a Thomas Goddard born 4 April 1820, baptized 30 April St Lukes Old St, Finsbury London parents Thomas Goddard and Frances.
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SC
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Hi again g eli
Well this is indeed very interesting - and opens up avenues to explore further
This will keep me busy
I tried to find a suitable chr for Thomas and must have missed that one as I didn't find any that I thought were possible - two heads are better than one
If this were the family then they must have all moved up to Derbyshire
As I said food for thought and many many thanks for your help
SC
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