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Hirdy
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I am trying to find out further information on the family of Andrew Scott and Joan Hope. My relative is Robert Scott b. 1818 who emigrated to Australia in 1850s. Before he emigrated he had married and had several children, but it appears that they all died before he came to Australia. In Australia he married and had several sons in Melbourne before emigrating to NZ where is had at least 2 daughters. He was a baker. I'm not sure where he died (either Aus or NZ).
Robert had several siblings which I am researching.
Alexander b. 1803
James b. 1805
Margaret b. 1810
Andrew b. 1812
George b. 1814
John b. 1816 (emigrated to NY in 1854)
I am also interested in any information on his parents Andrew and Joan. Both died in the 1850s.
Any info. appreciated.
Chris
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Hirdy
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Thanks for that information, but not right family. Andrew Scott and Joan Hope married in Melrose in 1803. I don't know what Andrew Scott did, but it appears that several of his sons were bakers. Robert Scott, his son, was the only one to emigrate to Australia, with John going to US.
Robert was married before he married my ggg grandmother Sarah Ann Body in Aus 1859. The marriage certificate says that he was a widower with 2 children that had died. I am assuming that this all happened in Scotland, although I may be wrong and it may have occurred in Aus before 1859.
I'll keep searching.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Chris
Have you been in touch with the lady from the US descended from John Scott who left for the US? She has numerous posts on the web, some links below:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/scotland/roxburghshire/messages/219.html
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SCOTLAND-GENWEB/2004-03/1080194234
http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/BORDER/2007-06/1180797970
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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You could try looking for family members on the early censuses. www.freecen.org.uk has 100% coverage of Roxburghshire for 1841 and 1851. Make sure you click on the right census year at the top of the page.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hirdy
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Monica,
Thanks for those links. We are both searching for details about the same family and are both directly related. I have tried to make contact, so will see what happens. At least I can confirm that the Robert Scott she is looking for did emigrate to Australia and I am one of his ggggrand daughters.
Chris
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Chris
I hope you are able to make contact She refers in one of her posts to family information recording Robert and 2 sons and 2 daughters (?). Also, she has confirmed Joan Hope's details through her death cert and place of burial at Linton in 1855. Andrew looks to have died pre 1855 and the start of official registration.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hirdy
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Unfortunately, the latest email address for Joan has bounced back, so no luck there. Your details confirm what is on Sarah's death certificate, atlhough a Margaret is listed as dead in 1911.
Maybe Joan will read these emails and reply to me.
Chris
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bjean
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Hi Chris
I am researching the same family - there are records to show the family returned to England in 1875 coming back to Australia in 1880 but minus Robert. maybe he died there. I just found thesse records this weekend.
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Hirdy
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Your latest information does make some sense.
I have Robert Scott marrying Sarah Ann Body in Melbourne in April 1959. They had a son Andrew in 1860 and another son Robert in 1861 both born in Melbourne.
They then had a daughter Sarah Ann (my ggrandmother) who was born in NZ (near Dunedin) in Sept 1863, followed by another daughter Minnie Jessie born in NZ 1865. I can't find any information of the family actually going to and from NZ.
On the death certificate of Sarah Ann Brown (she remarried in Melbourne in 1884), is another daughter Margaret listed (dead in 1911). I've always assumed that she was born and died in NZ.
Your information may suggest that after Robert died in either NZ or England between 1865 & 1880 when the family went back to UK for a short time and then all emigrated back to Melbourne around 1880.
I've also now heard from the American relative of John Scott, Robert's older brother, which will now fill in more gaps.
I'd really appreciate any info you have. Can you email me directly.
Chris
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MonicaLesl
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Chris, you've made contact with the US? Hurray 
bjean, welcome to RootsChat You need to have done at least 3 posts on the main forum to be able to use the Private Messaging service. So, if you do a couple more here you will be able to do so. To send Chris a Private Message (PM), simply click on the small green scroll under his name on the l/h side of any of his posts and this will take you straight there (works like most email services with in/out boxes). Personal emails should only be sent via the PM service.
I wish you both well in your searches
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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bjean
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Hi Chris
New to this so cant reply direct yet. Our connection is to the eldest son Andrew so have most of the information from there down. Only been on this part of the family for three weeks so not got back very far with the Scotts. Andrew and Joan Hope - was Andrew born in Melrose there was a birth there that I thought might be him in 1785 but that would make him 8 years younger than Joan. What are your thoughts on this.
There was a family story that a forebear a Baker's boy arrived in Aus around 16 - this could have been Robert or maybe just a story to cover old history
Possible marriage suggested on the chat room Sarah Aitchison 13 Dec 1844
Jean
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Jean
Not sure about that marriage to a Sarah Aitchison. These children show to a Robert Scott and mother with that name on IGI:
1. JOHN SCOTT Birth: 11 MAY 1855 Selkirk, Selkirk
2. SCOTTMale Birth: 15 MAR 1858 Selkirk, Selkirk
Likely entry for this couple following their marriage in 1844 on the 1851 census:
Robert Scott 26, weaver woolen b. Stow Midlothian
Sarah Scott 28, b. Nenthorn, Roxburgh
Robert Scott 5, b. Galashiels, Selkirk
Jean Scott 1, b. Galashiels, Selkirk
Address: Edinburgh Road Sloethorn Bank, Selkirk
Family show in 1861 in Selkirk including the son John, aged 5, as above.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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bjean
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Thanks for that Monica - will have to keep searching.
Are the English death certificates as informative as the Victorian ones?
I believe we are searching for his death in England or Scotland between 1875 - 1880
Maybe Robert went to New Zealand first and married first wife there?
Jean
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Hirdy
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Robert Scott married Sarah Ann Body in Melbourne in 1859. They had 2 sons in Melbourne before going to NZ where they had at least 2 daughers.
You mentioned that the family went back to UK in 1875. Where did you find this info? I have located their return to Melbourne in 1880 on PRO Victoria passenger lists.
I would love to get all the info you have on Andrew (your relative) as I have almost nothing.
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