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Topic: Birth, Marriage certificate help please (Read 774 times)
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Danchaslyn
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Hello Lorand
Have had a look in both the TBD (Durban) and the RSA (generally around SA) archives database, and so far haven't been able to find any documents relating to either your Dad, or your Mom.
We'll think of something yet! 
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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Lorand
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Hello to you both,
You two have been so good to try and help me. I realise that trying to find my S African side is VERY difficult and painstaking. I should have mentioned that my folks were divorced in 1964 and my mother remarried. Her new name was Janet Geldard and she died in the Westville Hosp. I'm not sure if that would help as it is not my mother's side I'm trying to find.
I came across an old bible from my dad's mother and she had her name in it as Susara Maria, but it doesn't help as I don't know her maiden name. I will have another go with NAAIRS, but may be off line for a couple of days ... having a minor op. tomorrow, so will catch up ASAP.
Many thanks
Lorraine
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Ceeoh
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Hi, sorry to jump in but just wanted to clarify for anyone who doesn't know - a copy of a death NOTICE would probably be obtainable through the archive (NAAIRS) but a death CERTIFICATE would only be available from the Dept of Home Affairs.
Ceeoh
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Danchaslyn
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Hello Ceeoh
Yes, exactly, thank you. I've seen both, but haven't seen a Death CERTIFICATE for decades.
Would it show anything besides the names of person who died, date of death, cause of death, place of death and possibly home address?
I know with the Death NOTICES I currently have, from NAAIRS, they are so very helpful, as they do show the parents of the deceased, even siblings, along with all the above details as listed for the Death Certificate, bar the Cause of Death.
Perhaps more modern Death Certificates that the ones I have seen depict familial information?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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Ceeoh
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Hi Danchaslyn
To be honest I don't know what is shown on a death certificate these days - I would say it wouldn't be anywhere near as detailed as a death notice, however, a death notice is only as accurate as the person supplying the information can make it. Sometimes folk don't actually know where someone was born, or the deceased's parent's names, etc.
A death certificate would be as near as possible correct with regards to date of death, place of death(things of the moment).
I will find out about certificates and post later.
Regards
Ceeoh
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Ceeoh
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Sorry to say not much to be discovered about certificates.
It would appear that the minimum information appears on a death certificate, this is supplied by the undertaker to Home Affairs (I think) so he can bury the deceased.
What is shown is:
Name of deceased
Age of deceased
Date of death
Cause (this is a "sticky" one)
On a piece of paper A5, so obviously an abridged one.
The norm seems to be that the cause of death is now always "by natural causes" unless it was a criminal death, (or I presume something like a road accident), not helpful for anyone researching hereditary illnesses.
Cancer, pneumonia, diabetes, heart attack, etc., would all be shown as natural causes!
Whether any other details would appear on an unabridged certificate I don't know, but certainly the death by natural causes is a "protective" measure.
These details may differ from province to province
Perhaps someone who has seen a recent certificate can give a more detailed description.
Ceeoh
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Danchaslyn
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Hello Ceeoh
Both your posts are so interesting and informative, thank you so much.
The Death Certificate is as I remember them, usually signed 'off' by your own General Practitioner, depending on where the person had died, and, as you say, the undertaker plays quite a role.
The Death Notices, on the other hand (from NAAIRS) are full of information, and certainly for me, have been in some instances the actual key to doors which previously have refused to budge.
Lorand, like yourself, I couldn't find anywhere, my paternal grandfather's, wife's maiden name. From NAAIRS I recently acquired one of his daughter's Death Notice, and there was her mother's maiden name! Country of birth, all spousal details, all offspring details, date of death, place of death, home address etc etc.
What was great, that from not being able to find out anything, this Death Notice divulging the maiden name of the wife, led me to search on IGI, and the only time this has happened for me, her family's full Pedigree was there, right back to 1650!
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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