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Topic: Birth, Marriage certificate help please (Read 786 times)
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Lorand
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Please could someone advise on which would be the best website to get a South African marriage cert for my parents in 1945, and a birth cert. for my father in 1921.
I am hoping to start researching this side of the family, but have very little to go on without these certificates. I believe the family originally descended from the French Huguenots, so will need some help there too, but need the names of grandparents first.
Many thanks
Lorraine
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Danchaslyn
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Hello Lorand
Try searching on N.A.A.I.R.S. When you have located the various certificates you need, then email the relevant departments requesting details and/or copies.
Perhaps post some details on here as well..........? 
Another RootsChatter may well already have researched your family for you! 
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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Lorand
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Thanks for the info Danchaslyn. I'll try that. I have already put a request out for my parents marriage cert and father's birth cert, but no response unfortunately. 
My mother was Janet McCall and my father Johannes Jacobus Christopher Botes, (known as Chris) and were married on 20 Oct, 1945 in J'burg. My father was born in Kimberley on 22 November 1921. His mother's name was Susara, but don't know her maiden name or any others in the family.
Any help would be appreciated.
Lorraine
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Kubu
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You would have to apply to the Department of Home Affairs for both a marriage and a birth certificate. To do so you need to know the exact date and place of both events and of course there is a charge for the documents.
It is probably easier to find a researcher to get them for you as you might have to wait a long time if you apply by post.
Birth Marriage & Death certificates are NOT available on NAAIRS
Liz
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Danchaslyn
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Hi Lorand
I HAVE received many Death Notices of relatives from the South African NAAIRS, some as recently as in the past fortnight.
To get them, I trawled through all the Archive sections until I found death notice reference numbers, using just the names of relatives.
Once I had the Death Notice certificates, they show so much. Names of the parents, places of birth of the parents, date of death of the relative, cause of death, place of death.
All siblings are listed and if they are deceased, their date of death.
Also spousal details.
So, as per my post #2, trawl through NAAIRS until you find the Death Notice refs for Janet McCall and Johannes Jacobus Christopher Botes, and apply for their Death Notices.
These Death Notices should then give you all the other relevant details you seek. NAAIRS have always responded very quickly to my requests, which is gratifying.
Happy searching
Danchaslyn
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JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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Danchaslyn
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Hello Lorand
As Ouma says, if you are of Huguenot descent, you probably were originally from the Cape Province.
As such, when looking in NAAIRS try the Cape Section first, although by mid-last C, anyone is likely to have moved around to any of the other provinces!
Ouma is an absolute Super Star at sleuthing, so any offer she gives you is worth gold...........
Good luck to you both
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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Lorand
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Hi Ouma and Danchaslyn,
Thanks for all your help. My mother's side (from Scotland) is not a problem as I have researched it in the Scottish threads, but it's my father's side that is a mystery as all I have is his name and his mother's first name. I looked in NAAIRS, but couldn't see anything that might give me a birth or marriage cert.
As I have mentioned in other posts, my father was born in Kimberley on 22 Nov 1921 and my parents were married in J'burg on 20 Oct 1945. I would like to know the maiden name of my dad's mother, Susara, and her parents names as well as the names of his father and grandparents. I seem to remember them saying they were from Huguenot stock.
My parents moved to Rhodesia in 1948 and so I didn't have much contact with any siblings, aunts, uncles etc. who were still living in S Africa.
Unfortunately, I have not come across any others in Rootschat doing this family tree .... live in hope 
Ouma, if you can give any clues, I would be very grateful.
Lorraine
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Danchaslyn
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Hi Ouma
As soon as Lorand has replied we can certainly get going on this mystery! 
If Lorand's mother and father are still, or were in Rhodesia, I've many contacts I can ask. Some family are still there!! 
I also used to know a Botes family in Johannesburg!
Need to clarify one point though, I've been very successful in getting Death Notices from, yes, wait, for it, again, NAAIRS. And, they have every detail to help ancestry research. See my post of Mon, 27 July.
Only thing is, that they are not always accurate with spellings!
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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Lorand
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Posts: 122
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Hello Ouma and Danchaslyn,
Sorry to reply so late. I am in Oz, so always a big time difference.
My family left S Africa in 1948 and went to Rhodesia, then returned to Durban in 1970's. Both parents died in Durban, my dad on 7 July 1985 and my mom on 8 Dec 1987.
I think they were married in Mayfair, J'burg in the Presbyterian Church.
My dad had a heap of siblings and as far as I can remember, he had sisters, named Betty, Gertie and another named Miems whose married name was Beckley. She lived in Bloemfontein in 1960 and 70's. One brother was Jaapie, another, Boet, but these must have been nick names. His siblings always lived in S Africa. We were the only ones who moved around, that's the trouble.
Anyway, will be glad to have some light shed on the mystery.
Thanks to you both for all your efforts.
Lorraine
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Danchaslyn
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Hello Ouma
Can't tell you how I envy you being able to pop into the CT Archives! Is it in an historic building? Must be amazing to have all that exciting info at your fingertips!
What a great idea that if Lorand Dad is still alive, that he apply to the Home Affairs for his Birth Certificate.
Can imagine if free access, whenever was allowed to the "Births", some would discover they don't quite have the parents they thought they did!!!
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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Danchaslyn
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Posts: 596
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Hello Lorand
So, so sorry, have had pc connectivity problems for THREE days, hence my not being able to reply to both you and Ouma before now.
AND, as I hadn't been able to access RC, I had only one message and answered Ouma, before I received and read your post. So, both your folks are gone, we'll have to think of other ways of finding your family.
Again, maybe back to NAAIRS, could we perhaps, with all the details, find your parents' Death notices, in the CT Archives, as over 20 years HAS elapsed?
These would hopefully show many more of your rellies names etc.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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if you know the exact dates and places and it does cost.