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lynfour
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Hi,
I was wondering if some kind person could do a birth/baptism "lookup" at the LMA please?
Thomas DAGG b c 1790 Clerkenwell, possibly St James or St John the Baptist.
I have his marriage to Mary Ann CHAPMAN 10 Jan 1813, St Mary, Newington. Neither of their parents are listed for the marriage.
Thomas' parents aren't on his death certificate either.
Any information would be greatly appreciated as I live in Australia & can't get there to research in person !
Thanks,
Lynne
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Valda
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Hi Lynne
He is giving a slightly older age on the 1851 census
HO107 645 folio 645
25 Sussex Street St Pancras
Thomas Dagg 64 Head Married Newsvender Clerkenwell Middlesex
Mary A Dagg 60 Wife Married Boro Southwark Surrey
Frederick Dagg 21 Son Smith Oxford Street Middlesex
Sarah Dagg 27 Daughter Shopwoman Southwark
Frances Dagg 23 Daughter Shopwoman Oxford Street Middlesex
London parish registers can be time consuming to search because of the sheer weight of number of entries you find in them, so it helps to be as close as possible to the year of birth and time span to search in. The 1851 census would give a possible birth year (presuming the baptism followed shortly after the birth) of circa 1786/7. Is this consistant with the other records you have for Thomas? On the 1841 census adult ages, those over 15, are usually rounded down to the nearest 5.
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Valda
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lynfour
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Hi Valda,
Thomas Dagg died 17 March 1869, Pancras, age 80. & the 1841 census gives his birth as 1791, so I was assuming a date in the middle !!
The pages for 1861 census entry are missing, so I wasn't able to confirm any details.
Thanks for getting back to me,
Lynne
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Valda
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Hi Lynne
The 1841 census is a round down to the nearest 5 so is the least accurate. As his age on that census was given as 50, in reality that would mean between 54 and 50 = circa 1786/7 - 1790/1, depending on when in the year his birthday was. Census night for that year was 6th June. The 1851 census age of 64 would give a birth year of circa 1786/7 (census night for that year was earlier 30th March) and his age on death (March quarter, so Janauary-March) gives circa 1788/9 (and of course he wouldn't be the one giving the information about age when registering the death).
Certainly there are parts of the 1861 census missing for London but those are mostly Westminster parishes not Pancras. Did Thomas die in Pancras workhouse? On earlier censuses often institutions only return there inmates with initials only. This is the case for the Pancras workhouse in 1861.
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Valda
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lynfour
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Hi Valda,
I've been thru the 1861 census page by page for Sussex St, Pancras where Thomas was living in 1851 & the pages are numbered. But there are about three missing - pages 79-81 I think.
Cheers,
Lynne
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lynfour
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Hi Valda,
Part 2 !!
Thomas Dagg was living at 15 Sussex St when he died. 17 March 1869.
His son, also Thomas, was the informant, & he gives his address as 15 Sussex St. as well. Son Thomas was still living at Sussex St on the 1871 census.
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Lynne
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Valda
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Hi Lynne
There are various definitons of 'missing' census pages/pieces - - missing because the census enumerator missed out that part of the street by accident or failed to copy the household schedules into his census enumerator's book, or missing pages from the original census enumerator's book (sometimes books themselves) - nothing can be done about any of this.
Missing on the microfilm but not the original book - this can only be checked by The National Archives.
On the microfilm but missing from the providers index and electronic pages of the census they have provided on the web. Have you checked the original microfilm copy or are you working from the pages shown on the web? If the latter I would contact the provider and inform them of the missing pages giving exact references of what is missing. They can then check against their copy of the microfilm and see if they have ommitted the pages. I've done that before where I have discovered pages missing which I knew to be there having extracted information myself from the microfilm copy held by TNA (It was quite a slow process to get the pages reinstated). You also these days have the benefit of checking with other providers to see whether they are on their indexes and if not then they are truly missing pages or the microfilming process missed them off.
However on the evidence you have at present Thomas Dagg's potential baptism looks to be a little earlier in Clerkenwell than circa 1790 more between 1787/8 with a potential brother William 'David' circa 1797/8. and therefore possibly other siblings in between.
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Valda
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lynfour
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Hi Valda,
I was using the ancestry.com census at the library, so will have to go back there to check the details of the missing pages.
I had found William David Dagg as well, but there doesn't seem to be any information on his parents either.
No other possible siblings found as yet.
I've really hit the proverbial" brickwall" with this line.
Cheers,
Lynne
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lynfour
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Hi Valda,
I've let Ancestry know about the missing pages & they are going to check into it. I tried a couple of other sites, but still couldn't find Thomas Dagg, so it looks like the pages are missing.
Regards,
Lynne
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Valda
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Hi Lynne
It is always worth a shot just in case.
Regards
Valda
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