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emmsthheight
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Hi Bob
Sorry, I can still only think the bit that's gone is Glovers' Row, though some of my bits of map don't have a name on it, they just call it all Green Market. Yes, I think from my photo which does call it Glovers Row, there's a lane next to Carruthers.
I'm thinking about scanning when it cools down.
I don't think \I can post though as it's a modern book.
I could mail it if anyone's interested, or pm the book name.
I'll see in thje morning.
Emms
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Go on then Bob, I'm curious as well - what were you expelled for? 
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I'm sure you were a model pupil Bob 
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emmsthheight
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Hi Bob
Thank you Rosemary for prodding his memory> I knew "Asked to Stay Away", if that was what the quotes meant would have as good a story as Expelled or Permanently Excluded!
Right - back on topic!
That picture is absolutely brilliant Bob! I just love all the people and the activity in it! Mine's not nearly as good. Less activity.
However, it does figure part of that same row in front of what is now Top Shop and which no longer exists.
I've definitely seen this referred to as Glovers Row on more than one occasion. So both photo's are before the mid 1890's when it was demolished.
Mine starts beyond the left hand end of the row if you are facing it. You can clearly see another row parallel to it and it just appears past the other end. I think that is what you can see on your photo. The row behiond look much more bleak than the present day row.
The market monument is in front of Blakey's and there are two boys on it. Otherwise no people.
I'll try and scan it to you, but I don't think I dare put it on line. As I said, a modern book so otherwise, I'll be the one being expelle - from Rootschat!
I've got it on more than one map but not called Glover's Row. I've hear that talked about loads and also in books.
I'll see what else I can see.
I can't see the cathedral on mine but it's a bit murky.
Best wishes
Emms
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emmsthheight
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PS
I think this may be very soon before "That Row" was demolishes. There aren't many women in the photo, and not much detail, but what I cAn see looks that era. (Just because in this respect women are much more useful due to the wider variation in dress with fashion, at this era.)
Any chance of a close up of them, which wouldn't be as big a file as the whole group?
Emms
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emmsthheight
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Ah, clever stuff! I just looked on Glovers Lane. So it looks as if at that stage that row didn't have an address ass Glovers' Row, even though it must have been known as such as many other souces give Glovers' Lane.
I wonder if the postal system when it came called it all Green Market, or it had been named that prior to being pulled down?
Apparently there was another building to the left?, the Mainguard? for military based in the town?, but I read last night it went mid 1850's 1855?
Even so, they should both be on 1855 census. A fishmarket too.
There are photofront and back of that row, including one juust prior to demolition - the gap behind is about a street's width as you said, and seems to almost line up with the Town Hall side of Castle Street.
Emms
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bobgraham
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In 1858, I can find no mention of anybody below in the post office directory but in 1873 we have
1 market place, george coulthard, grocer
2 " " , John Watt, "
3 " " , james bewley, fishmonger
4 " " , john (headag?), grocer
as the only occupants of that side of the square.
Note different numbers from 1894! Plus the numbers for people I can find in 1858 all seem quite high in the 80's. But no sign of Glovers Lane.
bob
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I found this picture, I'm not sure if it's relevant to anything
Looking at Carlisle on the 1868 map here http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx there is an extra line of buildings in the Market Square. They appear to have been demolished before 1901, when the shape of the square is the same as at present-
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