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Topic: Help please - how can i find where ancestors are buried.COMPLETED (Read 387 times)
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AntonP
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I am trying to find the burial sites (in the Bradford area) of my great grandparents. I wonder if anyone can give me some suggestions of organizations to contact regarding this search?
My g grandfather, Bruno Arno Porzig, died on 9.9.1912 at 13 Clarendon Place, Manningham. (this street no longer exists according to google maps).
My g grandmother, Maria Porzig, died on 30 Aug 1931 at 247 Bingley Road, Shipley.
Bradford council did a search for me regarding Bruno Arno Porzig and found no records of his burial. They also checked with some cemeteries outside of their control and found the cremation record of one of their daughters at Nab Wood (1979). while i did not at that time ask the department at Bradford Council to check for Maria Porzig, i have assumed they would have picked up on the surname, if they came across it.
i did write to Nab Wood cemetery sometime last year about information on the burial of this family but received no reply. Information i later received from another family member was that 3 daughters of Bruno and Maria are buried/cremated at Nab Wood.
any suggestions would be gratefully received.
Anton
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charlotteCH
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Hi Anton,
There are two large public cemeteries in/nr Bradford- Schoolemoor and Undercliffe.
When I wanted info on a burial if Scholemoor I asked the Bradford Family History Soc. about their records on this. It might be worth while you doing likewise. I paid for the help but was glad to do it.
They are an excellent group to deal with...
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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AntonP
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Charlotte
Many thanks for this suggestion. I will contact them.
Anton
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charlotteCH
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If I remember correctly- it's over 10 yrs ago since I was chasing these burials, therewas a member of the Bradford FHS who was transcribing the MIs... I think his name was Ken McKenzie and he was the Soc's Sec.
The burial also were previous to those in whch you are interested so the Cems. would have been functioning then. They were opened- certainly Scholemoor- in c 1865 as Bradford has grown and the church cems were filling- my grandfather was an architcet and he worked on the design for Scholemoor's buildings- by 1902 there was a train station at the Cem and funeral trains certainly came from Ilkley to there.
This is all bits n pieces.  your post jogged my memory 
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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AntonP
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Charlotte
i have sent an email to the current secretary so i will wait and see what they can do nowadays. as i am not in the UK, i don't mind paying to get this info (its also cheaper than flying over etc,etc!!).
regards
Anton
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charlotteCH
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Anton,
Let us know how you get on with this please.
When I was in contact with them they weren't on email- I'm sure they will help- they are a good crew.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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dave the tyke
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Hi Anton
Photographic images of the burial ledgers for the major Bradford cemeteries are on a disc which is available to view at Bradford Library but is not for sale. The staff at Bradford Library are very helpful and may undertake a search for you.
There was also a vagrant named Blackburn who spent many years logging the MIs of Bradford and nearby cemeteries. His records might be available from Bradford FHS and would indicate other family members in the same grave.
Your addresses suggest that your g grandparents could have been interred at Bailey Hill cemetery Bingley or Nab Wood Shipley. Scholemoor and Undercliffe would be unusual choices because of distance.
The unusual name suggests that the family could have been Catholic and that would mean a whole new set of cemeteries to search !
good luck
Dave
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Bland, Greenwood Bland, Ellis, Benn, Woodhead, Priestley, Illingworth, Lightowler, Platts, Boys, Bradley, O'Hara, Hall Areas - North Bierley, Northowram, West Bowling, Horton, Shelf, Allerton, Queensbury, Haworth, Ovenden, Halifax, Luddenden, Midgley, Elland, Littleborough Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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charlotteCH
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Dave, I'm the one who suggested Scholemoor might be relevant 
You're a local lad with lots of local knowledge, so it would be wise for Anton to follow thru with what you suggest.
.. The reason I suggested Scholemoor was that my greatgrandfather who retired to Shipley from Bradford was buried in Scholemoor in the family grave... thus my mind jumped to there.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
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dave the tyke
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Sorry Charlotte,
I wasn't trying to make light of your suggestion. I too have ancestors who were buried many miles from where they lived.
Dave
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Bland, Greenwood Bland, Ellis, Benn, Woodhead, Priestley, Illingworth, Lightowler, Platts, Boys, Bradley, O'Hara, Hall Areas - North Bierley, Northowram, West Bowling, Horton, Shelf, Allerton, Queensbury, Haworth, Ovenden, Halifax, Luddenden, Midgley, Elland, Littleborough Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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charlotteCH
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Dave, It didn't occur to me that you were trying to make light of what I said. I had forgotten about the Nab Wood Cem Shipley-. My lot seemed to ask to be buried in Scholemoor- even one of them who lived in Grassington.
The important thing here is that we give Anton correct and helpful info which you have done.
Something I have wondered about in connection with these funerals- from Ilkley in 1902 there was a funeral train to Scholemoor that took my grandfather's body and the mourners following a service held in his house- it's in a newspaper report of his death and funeral.
Would such a train have run on the ordinary trainline to Bradford and then on a spur to the cemetery or how did this function? Presumably it would have been a special train... what do we know about this sort of thing?
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
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AntonP
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Dave many thanks for yr comments.
my g grandparents were protestants. He was born a Lutheran in Germany and she was a congregationalist (i hope i got that right and thats how you refer to members of that religion - apologies if wrong). they were married at the salem chapel in Mannigham and her father went on to become the independent minister for the Thorton New Road Congregational church.
i have followed up Charlotte's suggestion and will wait to see what help i can get from the BFHS. as i said i don't mind paying them for their time. if i get a negative there i will contact the Bradford library as you suggest.
family story is that one of my great uncles by marriage, William Pitts, was responsible for developing the Nab Wood area. as i said Bradford council have found in their search that one of my G aunts was cremated there (but on a visit 2 years ago to the UK i could find no memorial stone - i think due to pressue they might throw the old ones away. anyway Nab wood cemetery never replied to my letter to them about family buried there). Subsequently a family connection said all 3 G aunts are buried there. As my G grandmother lived close to the cemetery, i think she might have been buried there as well.
I really appreciate your help and the local knowledge. i will let you know if i have any success.
Anton
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dave the tyke
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Charlotte,
rather than highjacking this thread why don't you start a new one about the rail link. There is a lot of interest in Railways 
There was a line from Bradford to Halifax via the Queensbury tunnel. It ran up under Beckside Road (about a mile from Scholemoor) but I don't know where the nearest stop would be. The line fell foul to Dr. Beeching's axe in the 60's.
Anton,
There is an hotel near the corner of Manningham Park that I think is called the Clarendon. Clarendon Place, Clarendon Terrace and Clarendon Street were all together between Manningham Lane and Lumb Lane.
Dave
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AntonP
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Dave/Charlotte
I have had an email from the BFHS suggesting I get in contact with the bradford library who might be able to do a search for me for a fee.
if i have success, i will let you know.
again thanks both of you for yr suggestions.
Anton
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charlotteCH
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Anton, That's good news- if Bradford FHS said ask Bradford Library that would mean the FHS doesn't have what you sought- and also i'd guess they think the Library may holed the data.
Don't forget about Bradford FHS in future- and No I'm not a spruker for them officially but a very satisfied customer 
Dave. will start a thread about the funeral train question... didn't intend to hijack the thread but just got a bit carried away...
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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