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Topic: SA births - SPENCER (Read 377 times)
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grantleydawn
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I am trying to piece together the family of Joseph SPENCER & Elizabeth Phillipa? SHEPARD.
I have migration detials of the family arriving at Port Adelaide in 1839.
I have a variety of children being born in South Australia from various unconfirmed sources. The list concerns me as Elizabeth may have been born 1797/1799
Could someone please correct the following list, plus add locations;
William Joseph SPENCER, 5 Nov 1840, Glen Osborn Caves
John SPENCER, 5 Dec 1843
Jane SPENCER, 22 Feb 1844
Charlotte SPENCER, 25 Oct 1846
Thomas SPENCER, 10 Jan 1850
James SPENCER, 19 May 1854
Regards
Grantley
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craizi daizi
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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hi Grantley
Charlotte b 25 Oct 1846 - Residence - On the Torrens (REF book 1 page 183
Jane b 25 May 1844 Residence - Payneham - book 1 page 69
Thomas b 10 Jan 1850 resisence - scotts creek book 3 page 15
Will keep looking
Daizi
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Flisher : UK and Sth Africa and Australia Munro : Scotland, Inverness, Ross and Cromarty and Australia Prust : Bristol, UK, and Australia Woodburgess/Wood/Burgess/Wood-Burgess, Adcock/Brudenall in Lincolnshire UK and Australia Taylor :Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire and Australia Mathers : Montrose , Scotland and Australia Johnson : ?? and Australia Pascoe : UK and Australia and USA http://www.aronsfight.synthasite.com/index.php |
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craizi daizi
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OK
Checked the others.......
the James you have b 19/05/1854 ( Mother Alice HAMAR & JOHN SPENCER
and the John b 1843 parents John Spencer and Dinah RUSSELL
As for William i can not say as the CD begins in 1842
Daizi
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Flisher : UK and Sth Africa and Australia Munro : Scotland, Inverness, Ross and Cromarty and Australia Prust : Bristol, UK, and Australia Woodburgess/Wood/Burgess/Wood-Burgess, Adcock/Brudenall in Lincolnshire UK and Australia Taylor :Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire and Australia Mathers : Montrose , Scotland and Australia Johnson : ?? and Australia Pascoe : UK and Australia and USA http://www.aronsfight.synthasite.com/index.php |
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grantleydawn
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A big thankyou, Daizi.
Regards
Grantley
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craizi daizi
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We aim to please...LOL
No probs...Grantley
Daizi
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Flisher : UK and Sth Africa and Australia Munro : Scotland, Inverness, Ross and Cromarty and Australia Prust : Bristol, UK, and Australia Woodburgess/Wood/Burgess/Wood-Burgess, Adcock/Brudenall in Lincolnshire UK and Australia Taylor :Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire and Australia Mathers : Montrose , Scotland and Australia Johnson : ?? and Australia Pascoe : UK and Australia and USA http://www.aronsfight.synthasite.com/index.php |
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cando
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According to BISA William was born 1841 and died 1932.
SPENCER William
22 Apr 1932 91 years Status Married
Residence Prospect Death Place Prospect Ade 537/469
There are a couple of submitted marriage records on IGI for Joseph and Elizabeth in 1826 and one extracted baptism record for an Elizabeth SHEPHERD.
SHEPHERD Elizabeth
Baptism 14 Apr 1799 Christchurch, Hampshire, England
Father Richard SHEPHERD
Cheers
Cando
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grantleydawn
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Thankyou Cando,
I have only just started on Elizabeth SHEPHERD's ancestry.
I am uncomfortable with other researchers claiming her as Elizabeth Phillips SHEPHARD, born 1797, dau of John SHEPARD & Sarah.
Your baptism of 14 Apr 1799 Christchurch, Hampshire, England - Father Richard SHEPHERD seems more palatable.
I have lots of leads for Joseph SPENCER. I have just found his 2nd marriage - 5 May 1883 to Catherine JACKSON (nee COX) which puts everything in it's place.
Best Regards
Grantley
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cando
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Have you the Joseph SPENCER info from the Biographical Index of SA?
Cheers
Cando
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grantleydawn
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No, I have not sourced that, as yet. I know I can get a copy from the local library.
Unfortunately the passenger list of the Prince Regent 1839 on http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1839PrinceRegent.htm is wrong. It is obviously a combination of a published list & some names added after.
Best Regards
Grantley
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cando
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I think we must appreciate the difficulty the transcribers have when trying to decipher ship's manifests.
Another source with sources cited.
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/shipping/passengerlists.html
SPENCER Joseph, Elizabeth n SHEPHERD, 5 dau inc Sarah, Hrt, Maria, son (Jas?) arrived 1839-09-25 on Prince Regent (1) from London 1839-06-06 [Source:2,4,7,21,23(6+1)]
[2] Register of Emigrant Labourers Applying for a Free Passage to South Australia 1836-1841, PRO CO 386/149-151
[4] South Australian Births Registrations 1842 to 1906, SA Genealogy & Heraldry Soc, 1997
[7] Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885, SAGHS, 1986
SAGHS, 2000
[20] South Australian Marriages Registrations 1842 to 1916, SAGHS, 2001
[23] 1841 South Australia Census Returns, SA Archives, GRG24/13
and then the following from the website
1. The sources of passenger lists for this early period are extremely inconsistent - the variations which could not be resolved are included (separated by slashes), those in brackets considered less likely. A name in brackets with a question mark is a suggested possibility only, which needs further investigation by the user prior to acceptance or rejection. Please advise us of any errors or omissions, giving the sources of your information.
2. Only a few of the original passenger lists survive, so it has been necessary to use other sources. Even these original lists are only as accurate as the literacy of the recorder and passengers supplying their details allowed. The ships' manifests are even less accurate because they are transcriptions of the original lists onto the cargo manifests. Similarly, the newspaper listings are transcriptions, firstly by the reporter, finally by the compositor. The applications for a free passage (primary sources) suffer from the same problems as the original passenger lists. Then there is the difficulty of reading the old handwriting, which sometimes introduces further errors. Sources [1], [6] and [7] are quite unreliable, but have not been excluded because at times they are the only sources of the information. In addition, [7] and [8] often provide given names and maiden names not found elsewhere. For more information, see the article on the accuracy of family history sources.
3. Where feasible, all accompanying offspring including adults are given in each family, unless married. These are listed separately with their own families.
Cheers
Cando
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grantleydawn
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All help is really appreciated.
At this stage Embarkation number 2819 - indicated Joseph SPENCER, Elizabeth, 1 boy 8 months, 5 girls aged 11, 10, 7, 6 and 4
So far I can only find arrival information on 3 girls;
Sarah bapt 1827
Harriet bapt. 1828 &
Maria bapt.1834
Mary Ann SPENCER bapt 11 Jul 1830
Eliza SPENCER bapt 25 Dec 1832 &
Joseph SPENCER bapt 29 Jul 1837
have all vanished.
I have seen the refernce that says there were 23 deaths on that voyage.
Regards
Grantley
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krisesjoint
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Hi Grantley,
in the 1841 census I note
Gilbert St Adelaide (1 male 5 females)
Joseph SPENCER 1 male under 50, 1 female under 50, 1 female under 21, 2 females under 14, 1 female under 7
William SPENCER was born 3 Nov 1841 at Stephens Dale baptised Holy Trinity 12 Dec 1841 parents Joseph and Elizabeth
Cheers Kris 
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grantleydawn
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Thankyou Kris,
Just when I thought that everything was OK.
William SPENCER dates are a problem. I have the results of someone else's research and they have William born 5th Nov 1840, baptised 3rd Nov 1841.
Family stories say he was born in a one room 'dugout' in the side of the hill at Glen Osmond. I now need to see where the locality of "Stephens Dale" is.
I had accepted that 2 girls & the boy must have all died on the voyage out. Assuming the Census is accurate, I am now looking for something, after the Census, on either
Mary Ann SPENCER bapt 11 Jul 1830 or
Eliza SPENCER bapt 25 Dec 1832
More digging is now required.
Regards
Grantley
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krisesjoint
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Hi Grantley,
I do not know where Stephen's Dale was. It has been mentioned by another member. I wonder if she has pinpointed it.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,377885.0.html
There are a few baptisms listing this place, unfortunately none provide any further information. I can not see it listed in any of the BMD's after civil registration commenced. One of the others who is listed as residing at Stephens Dale is later in Glen Osmond, Blakiston and Mt Barker.
If we look at the census entry and your baptisms we could have matches for
Sarah - under 21
Harriet and either Mary Ann or Eliza could be the 2 under 14 and Maria the under 7. Pity the entry did not name them.
Passenger list agrees with Sarah, Harriet and Maria but has two different names for the other two (Jane and Charlotte in place of Mary Ann and Eliza)
Now there are marriages listed for Jane and Charlotte but they seem to be the ones born in SA so does appear to be problems with the passenger list.
STAFFORD Robert 21 status not recorded father Joshua STAFFORD = SPENCER Jane 18 status not recorded father Joseph SPENCER 6 Aug 1861 St James Blakiston Dist MtB 47 65
JONES Richard 20 status not recorded father Edward JONES = SPENCER Charlotte 18 status not recorded father Joseph SPENCER 5 Jan 1864 St James Blakiston Dist MtB 57 181
I can't find anything else on the two from your baptisms - except that one of them may have been living at the time of the census. Probably all that exists of the passenger list will be the arrival from the paper, so as you say names have probably been added from other sources.
Cheers Kris
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grantleydawn
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Hi Kris,
You have covered it all & there is nothing that I can add.
Except to say that I appreciate your help, thankyou very much.
Regards
Grantley
PS; My initial information was sourced from the results of someone who is no longer locatable, assumed deceased.
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