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Topic: hit a brick wall and have been stuck for over a year can any one help? (Read 1437 times)
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WolfieSmith
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The Nathaniel Hall aged 5 in 1841 is living in Thompson Street, Byker. A couple of streets away from Byker Ropery, where the target Nathaniel Hall was living working from 1854 onwards. Still can't see him in 1851 either though.
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audrey
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a bit off target but one lives in hope
Thomas Doeg age 26 years married Elizabeth Dixson age 19 years [previously Married ]
father Henry Doeg
wifes father John Foster
audrey
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tobin
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The Nathaniel Hall aged 5 in 1841 is living in Thompson Street, Byker. A couple of streets away from Byker Ropery, where the target Nathaniel Hall was living working from 1854 onwards. Still can't see him in 1851 either though.
Alan.
Does Nathaniel's address on marriage certificate help at all?
the address on marriage cert just says byker bar the same place as his wife catherine turnbull
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hall,bowey,turnbull,danby -northumberland
speechley,lakey,ayres,anker,bedford -cambs and huntingdon
warrener and cope -nottingham
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tobin
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thankyou for looking that up for me its pretty frustrating not being able to use the census,im so used to having it,roll on next month and my holiday over i can subscribe again then lol..i really need to try to smash this brick wall down  if i ever succeed it will be like all my xmases coming at once ive been stuck on it that long 
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hall,bowey,turnbull,danby -northumberland
speechley,lakey,ayres,anker,bedford -cambs and huntingdon
warrener and cope -nottingham
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WolfieSmith
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From the Newcastle Courant, Friday 1 Sept 1854, Marriages Section.
At All Saints Church on the 26th ult. Mr Nathaniel Hall, rope maker, to Catherine, daughter of Mr John Turnbull. Same day, Mr Thomas Doeg, waterman, to Mrs Elizabeth Dixon. All of Byker.
Nathaniel must have been working at the Byker rope works in 1854. He was living at a street called Byker Fields Ropery in 1861 and working as a rope maker. The Nathaniel Hall in 1841 was living only 2 streets away, with a household member working there. I know he's a bit young and it says he's born Scotland (as are most of the household, so it could be a mistake). But given the reasonably uncommon name and very close location, he must be a good candidate.
1841 census, Thompson St., Byker, All Saints Parish,
Robert Hamilton, 70, Joiner, b. Scotland,
Alice Hamilton, 60, b. Scotland,
Robert Hamilton, 25, Journeyman Rope Maker, b. Northumberland,
Mary Hamilton, 30, b. Scotland,
Alice Hamilton, 5, b. Scotland,
Alice Bows, 5, b. Scotland,
Nathaniel Hall, 5, b. Scotland.
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WolfieSmith
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Can't see them in 1851, but there is a baptism that may be significant.
7 June 1829, St.Nicholas Parish Newcastle, Nathaniel Hamilton, son of Nathaniel and Margaret, Abode - Westgate Street, Quality, trade or profession - Joiner.
Its possible that this Nathaniel was an illegitimate son of Nathaniel Hall, with Margaret fathers trade recorded under Quality. The elder Robert Hamilton in 1841 census was a Joiner. Needs a lot more checking, but its a possibility.
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WolfieSmith
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There is a Mary, presumably a daughter, living with the Hamiltons in 1841, but looking at their child trail on the IGI they had about a dozen kids in Northumberland, so she is not necessarily the only potential mother of Nathaniel in 1841 census. I can't see a Margaret though, possibly born in Scotland like Mary.
I Know its just a possibility, but Nathaniel is not such a common name, and this is a Nathaniel son of Nathaniel, with a Hamilton connection, born at the right time in the right place (on the census he always gives his birth place as Newcastle, not Newcastle All Saints (ie Byker) that the rest of his family get.
Quality, Trade or Profession is just one of the columns on the baptism record. Usually the fathers trade is put down, unless its a posh family. I'm just going one further and wondering if in the case of an illegitimate birth if the mothers fathers trade would be put down?
Its a long shot, but its a possibility.
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) and trying to find a connection. I couldn't find them in 1841. I looked the parents up in Family Search and found a 'possible' marriage (but it has no relevance now) ------ the wife was Mary Doeg 