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MIGKY
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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 01 August 09 15:21 UTC (UK) »
I am also struggling to find any trace of Leonard's sister ( Mary Ann Madden born 1887 Salford ) after the 1901 census, plus there father ( William Madden born 1855 Maccelfield Cheshire ) after 1901 in Manchester. RG13/3755

I know he would be alive after 1912 as it would have him as deceased on his other daughters wedding certificate.

Migky  Wink
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heywood
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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 01 August 09 17:07 UTC (UK) »
Hi migky,

I haven't checked but he wouldn't necessarily be named as deceased in my experience.
Who were the witnesses to that wedding? Not a Mary A ...?
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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 01 August 09 22:00 UTC (UK) »
Hi Migky
I have marriage certs. where the father was not marked as deceased, even though they were. Depends how the question was asked... What is the name of your father? ... They may not have asked if he was deceased!
If that is the case, the death of William Madden in Mcr. in 1903 is the right age. (48)

I have one of my lot marry a John Madden in 1888. They lived in Ancoats. Don't see any connection yet though. His father was William but a bit older than yours.
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MIGKY
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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 02 August 09 08:32 UTC (UK) »
Catherine Madden married (sister to Leonard and Mary Ann, daughter of William Madden) in 1912 Manchester. Her husband put his father as deceased, so i would have expected Catherine to have done the same if her father was dead?
I did check out the death of William Madden in Mcr. in 1903 is the right age. (48) but i am not going to rush in and buy that death certificate just yet. I would sooner find maybe Leonard or Mary Ann's marriages around the Ancoats/Collyhurst are first.
I did spend a few pounds on the Mary Ann Madden who married an Arthur A Smith in Manchester 1909 but this turned out to be the wrong lady ( with a name like smith i was a little happy in some ways it wasn't her ) It also seem it was not the Mary Ann who married a John Ferns Oct 1912 Manchester.

Migky Wink

Ps please feel free to send me any suggestions. I will check them out but as i have spent so much up to now on wrong people , i will hold off buying any more certificates until i can prove 99% they are the correct one.

Oh! Amram My Madden's might turn out to be a larger family than i thought as i only know a little about William who cam from Macclefirld but i think he could well have had brothers and sisters who came to manchester also?
I have some records on other Madden's around Manchester if i can help you ?
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heywood
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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 02 August 09 11:33 UTC (UK) »
Hi Migky,

I can understand fully your reluctance to spend money on a 'maybe' possibility.
It does seem odd that Catherine would not put her father as deceased your right.
Lots of wonderings here  Wink
Why would Leonard put Catherine as next of kin and not his father or older sister?
Do you have Catherine in 1911? I saw a 'Katry' Madden (or similar) but no Maddens with her, I don't think. (am still trying to work out searches in 1911 census).
There is a George Corry/Mary A Madden marriage in 1905 and checking 1901 there is a suitable George- the couple would be very young though.
1911  George seems to be there but not with a Mary A  Roll Eyes
Have just found a death for Mary Ann Corry 22 yrs in 1907  -Prestwich registration district so that would fit and explain things but all supposition  Undecided

There are a few Mary Madden marriages too- and if Mary Duffy married again that would also be a help. However, when she married William, her previous name of Donnelly is shown on Lancashire BMD so you would imagine that if she remarried again one or other of her previous names would show on the marriage list- but maybe not  Huh

Do you know if both William and his daughter Catherine married in the same church? If they had a 'family' church then perhaps, if he died, and if that was Mary Ann's marriage to George Corry or anyone else for that matter, they would also take place in the same church.
I think you already mentioned St Patrick's Livesey Street?

Well that's my contribution to the puzzle at the moment  Wink

heywood
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MIGKY
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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 02 August 09 12:02 UTC (UK) »
Hi Heywood, thanks for your contribution to the puzzle Grin
but just because i have not shown you the box cover, dose not mean you can leave the puzzle once you have made a start on it  Grin

1) I have the full original copies of Leonard on the 1911.
2) Also the same for Catherine ( Transcribed as Katry, trust our friends in Asia for this)
3) Catherine married in ST. Phillip's R.C. church,Bradford road.
4) Murphy and Flood people from the 1911 with Catherine(Katry) are witness's at her marriage.
4) William Madden married Catherine Leonard 1886 St Peter's R.C. church, Broughton, Salford.
5) Catherine Madden nee Leonard died Feb 1896.
6) William remarried to a Mary Duffy nee Donnelly ( widow)May 1896 St William's R.C. church, Manchester.
7) I think Leonard Madden put his sister down as next of kin on his short ww1 service record as she only lived two streets away? Maybe?
8.) I have not discounted the George Corry marriage, just put it on hold as they would be very young.

Migky Wink
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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 02 August 09 12:12 UTC (UK) »
so much for St Patrick's Livesey Street - where did that come from  Huh Perhaps another rootschat search   Wink
Not heard of St Phillip's and can only see one mentioned in Butler Street area- not Catholic but I haven't got that much knowledge of the area really. Similarly with a St William's - not St Wilfred's, Hulme?
So my theory of us trying to search local churches for free  Shocked Shocked Shocked isn't going to work. Sad
Have to go now - dinner to organise and cook.
heywood
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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 02 August 09 12:28 UTC (UK) »
That's it Heywood, you go and cook lunch. You will need to build your strength up for this up hill slog Grin
Migky  Wink
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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 02 August 09 13:48 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: heywood on Sunday 02 August 09 12:12 UTC (UK)
Not heard of St Phillip's and can only see one mentioned in Butler Street area- not Catholic but I haven't got that much knowledge of the area really. Similarly with a St William's - not St Wilfred's, Hulme?
heywood

OPS sorry, st. Phillip's was C-of-E Doh!
I should have remembered as religion caused a bit of a rift between Catherine and her husband.

CLICK 4 ST. PHILLIP's

ST. William's

CLICK 4 ST. WILLIAM's

Migky Wink
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heywood
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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 02 August 09 14:48 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: MIGKY on Sunday 02 August 09 12:28 UTC (UK)
That's it Heywood, you go and cook lunch. You will need to build your strength up for this up hill slog Grin
Migky  Wink



How selfish am I ?  Grin It's begun now so I can have a bit of free time before the rest of the starving crowd arrive  Roll Eyes

That's why I've not heard of St William's- closed before I was born Shocked Heard of Angel Meadow though. So not sure now of a direction.
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MIGKY
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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 02 August 09 15:35 UTC (UK) »
Sending you a section of map for where things are.
With differant colours on for churches and where family lived.
1) Blue is ST. Williams Angel Meadows Ancoats
2) Red is ST. Phillip's Bradford road Collyhurst
3) Purple is Nail street last known address for Leonard
4) Ridgway stree is address of Catherine 1911

They did live all round those areas.

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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 02 August 09 19:14 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for the map -

I always think of Ancoats as right hand side of Oldham Road as you leave Manchester.

Bradford Road, I think of as Beswick area

Angel Meadows, roughly the same area - I tended to think it was slightly more towards Cheetham Hill Road- a bit where they are building all those flats near to MEN arena but near enough to the part which is actually on the map. (I went to college near the Ducie Arms and I recall a lecturer telling us about Angel Meadow.

Doesn't help with the search though - the death of William and possible marriage and death of Mary Ann do fit in with the area so perhaps if you win the lottery the certificates may be possible one day!

Just had a look at Manchester Archives - St William's is not available re burials  Sad nor is St Michael's  Sad
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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 16:21 UTC (UK) »
Up date to this thread*

I now have a wedding certificate for a Leonard Madden to an Elsie HAMMERSLEY  May 1925 Oldham but sadly this is not my man and has the wrong age & Father.

I also have a wedding certificate for a Mary Ann Madden to a John Ferns March 1913 Manchester, but once again this turns out to be the wrong Mary Ann Madden, who should have been sister to Leonard. She is also wrong age and wrong fathers name .

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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 16:52 UTC (UK) »
Hi again,
that's a pity

Looking back over this thread and trying to recall, it looks as though I was favouring a marriage to a George Corry for Mary Ann and the death of Leonard in Blackburn so I can't thinl go anything else to suggest.  Sad

sorry

heywood
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MIGKY
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Re: Lost family member in Manchester area
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 17:16 UTC (UK) »
Mary Ann Madden who Married George Corry  1905  Manchester  20 years old at the time of getting married.
She died just two years later in may 1907 living at 3 Kirby street Ancoats aged 22.
She is buried in Phillips park with other Madden members who are not related to the Mary Ann Madden i am looking for .

Once i find out what happend to Leonard and Mary Ann Madden, my quest has finished and have done what i set out to find. I am not looking to trace any further back i have all that and happy with what i have found, just these two need finding.
So my offer is to any one who can find what really happend  to there two is. If you can find and prove to me what happend to them , you are welcome to ever original family history cd i own. There are a few Original directories/Army cd's &  Map  you are welcome to.

Migky  Wink
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