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RosemaryJoan
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Well!! Scotland's People have come up trumps, sending me an email with attachment today. This attachment gives details of an 'action' by Janet against the father of her illegitimate child. The Sherriff of Fife ruled in her favour and pronounced David Johnston, Blacksmith as the father. Mr Johnston had of course taken to his heels. The document also stated that the child was born in the Lying in Hospital, not the Poor House. However this was dated 1871, 4 years after the birth of the child, and the address given for Janet in December of that year was 98 Hill Street, Garnethill, Glasgow. So what district would that be with regard to the 1871 census?
I can't praise Scotland's People enough, or indeed the Mitchell who found Poor House records for us. These don't appear to be relevant since this 1871 document has come to light. Anyone got free access to the 1871 census? RosemaryJoan
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gaucho
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Hi,
there are 37 potential Janet McGowan deaths on Scotlands People between 1871 and 1887. Searching for Jane McGow*n in Glasgow city. Most are either too young or too old, so it might be worth spending a few quid too see if any of the others match. Only Janet I can find on 1871 census with a son John of the right age is in Greenock and states they were all(two other children) born there. can't find either for sure on 1881 census.
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McGowan, Dunlop, Watson, Kerr, Rickelton, McLachlan, Devine, Glasgow
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Rosemary
As you can see, we are all struggling with finding Janet and son John in the early censuses. Regarding an address search for Hill Street, Garnethill, the closest I can see on address searches is for a Garnethill Street in Blythswood, Glasgow although nothing shows for a Janet McG there or the street no. 98  . If you search for Garnethill on google, there are numerous references to it. Hopefully someone with specific knowledge on the area can give you some background.
A couple of notes from me. I wonder why it was the Sherrif of Fife that made the paternity order? Maybe she was working there after John's birth or David Johnston, the reputed father, originally came from there?
Whilst we have been searching for a John McGow*n born c. 1867 and having no joy in the early censuses, now with the introduction of the surname Johnston, I did see these two entries:
1871: John Johnstone, 4, inmate, b. Glasgow, City Parish Poorhouse, 322 Parliamentary Road Glasgow, Glasgow Barony, Central District
1881: John Johnstone, 11, inmate b. Glasgow, Wellington Repormatory, Penicuik, Midlothian
Quite common for illegitimate children to move to either surname (birth mother/reputed father).
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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RosemaryJoan
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I didn't tell you that the father, David Johnston was reputedly living in Fife in 1871 when the paternity order was made - just in case it trod on anyone's toes! The census for John Johnstone (4) would make sense, but mother was living in Garnethill in 1871 and was a domestic servant so perhaps she was not allowed to have her child with her. The number of the house in Hill Street was on a fold so perhaps it was 198 (?)
That area
was residential then, so perhaps she worked for a family there. The name Cooper appeared in the family when John's son was baptised - I wonder if Cooper was a benefactor? Clutching at straws here.
I have to thank you all for your persistence. Like me, you seem to be fixated with finding an answer to everyone's genealogy problems. If I can help with N. Irish records, let me know.
In Google, Hill Street is included in the Garnethill area of Glasgow. RosemaryJoan
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Rosemary
Heat is getting to my head 
The 1881 census entry for a John Johnstone should read age 14 not 11, likely to be the same boy being moved around I would think.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Rosemary
He could well have been a well educated man  Sadly for him though, likely disruptive earlIy start.
Did you say you had checked with the Mitchell Library regarding poor relief records? If so, might be worthwhile checking for John under the name of Johnston* around the time of his time (if we have the right entry for him now) in the City Parish Poorhouse.
Also, not sure what records there may be regarding the Wellington Reformatory Farm School. Again, if we have the right entry for him, likely he would have joined the merchant navy after his time here.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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AMBLY
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Hi all
Quite like the look of this one....
1871: 189 Hill Street, Blythswood, Glasgow Barony
Parish 644/6, ED 23, pg 11
Servant: Janet McGOVER 23, Domestic Servant, b Glasgow
One of 3 Servants in the RODGER household. One of the sons if the household is a Campbell RODGER age 30 (as a finding aid).
Scotlands People index her as Janet McGOUR age 23
Like Monica I'm also unable to find 98 Hill Street on any Census.
Modern day Google Map view of the street 'walks' like this:
* 114 Hill Street - Separate House
* 112, 110, 108, 106, 104, 102 Hill Street - Door numbers ground level - 5 Story ,old "tenement' house (3 up, 1 ground, 1 basement)
* Intersection of Garnet Hill St
* 94, 84 Door numbers on Ground Level - 4 story, old tenement' house (3 up, 1 ground)
* 82, 80 Door number on next (old) building, attached to previous building
* After 80, is another attached building, modern style.
98 (and 100, 96, 94, 92, 90, 88, 86 Hill Street) must surely be connected to the house after the intersection of Garnethill - perhaps basement doors which I can't see?). Although this is a modern 'viewing' of the street, the houses look like they have been there a while.
Cheers
AMBLY
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RosemaryJoan
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Hello folks, I have paid for the above mentioned census record and had a close look at the name Jnet McG and I am sure it is McGown, spelling which I have come across in my searches - so looked up her birth
4 April1847,Gorbals,Lanark, Janet Wright McGown to
John McGown and Catherine McDougall
She was baptised in Ch of Scotland on 9 May
Doing a parent search for these two people in LDS bring up Elizabeth, now spelled McGowan born 1859,Anderston and John McGowan, born 1857 in Anderston
I feel sure that this is 'our' Janet, but I have found only one Janet McGown in 1861 census, aged 13, boarder,millworker,in Calton
I'm sure you are rivetted by this, so will give it a rest for a while. RosemaryJoan
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MonicaLesl
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I think this is the family in 1861 that Ambly and you have found through the info for a Janet, parents John and Catherine:
John McGowan 36, blacksmith, b. Stirling Town
Catherine McGowan 36, b. Milport, Ayrshire
Christina McGowan 12, b. Milport, Ayrshire
Dugald McGowan 6, b. Glasgow
Elizabeth McGowan 1, b. Glasgow
John Wark 2 Months, boarder, b. Glasgow
Address: 75 Finnieston St, Anderston, Glasgow Barony
Potential parents' marriage shows on IGI as:
CATHERINE MCDOUGALL and JOHN MCGOWAN
Marriage: 24 MAY 1846 Gorbals, Lanark
So struggling on the 1851 for this family We need it to find a Janet in the household....
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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  I think it is coming together properly now!
This transcript from 1871 is a bit of a mess....but I think we found our John at his maternal grandparents passed off as nephew (which I have seen happen on censuses with illegitimate births). Birth places are also jumping about a bit:
John McGowan 47, blacksmith, b. Bannechlan, Buteshire
Catherine McGowan 47, b. Cumbray, Buteshire
Christina Fleming 72, mother, b. Bamashburn, Stirlingshire
Dugall McGreen 17, son, b. Glasgow
May McGreen 8, daughter, b. Glasgow
John Johnston 4, nephew, b. Lanarkshire
Patrick Murray 38, lab., lodger, b. Ireland
Thomas Brenn 40, lab., lodger, b. Ireland
Willian Wilem 66, lab., lodger, b. Ireland
Address: Fory Road Row Bank, Cumbrae Bute
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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RosemaryJoan
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Monica, this is brilliant!!
I have found Dougald McGowan's birth on LDS
Father John McGowan, Mother Catherine McDougal
1854, Brodick, Bute Scotland,
this comes up on parent search along Janet Wright, Elizabeth, born 1859 and John born 1857.
Son John must have died
But I am getting more and more convinced that we (actually, you) have found John and Janet
Interesting that John McGowan was a Blacksmith. Did I tell you that David Johnston was a blacksmith???
The plot thickens. Rosemary
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MonicaLesl
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Submitted entry for mother Catherine McDougall's christening entry on IGI:
CATHARINE MC DOUGALL Christening: 01 MAR 1824 Cumbrae, Bute, Scotland
Parents: DOUGAL MC DOUGALL and JANET WRIGHT
Monica
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JOHN MCGOWAN Christening: 17 JAN 1824 Saint Ninians, Stirling
Parents:JOHN MCGOWAN and CHRISTIAN FLEMING
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