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Topic: "Completed"JAMES family Irene Place Prahran Melbourne Victoria (Read 752 times)
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sparrett
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Hi All,
It strikes me as all a bit odd. 
Would someone else please read the Probate Document and reassure me that I do see a man of property who has given, in advance of his death, a great deal to his second wife, Elizabeth .
Has he died in a position where no MI is affordable?
He seems to have avoided Victoria's newspapers and , seemingly ,by Cando's searching, PO directory listings too.
Perhaps he was just very retirng by nature  . Maybe he merely didn't believe in memorialisation!!
What do others think?
Sue
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Parrett:Woolwich,Newington,Bermondsey,Plumstead,Middlesex, West Ham. Evans: Bermondsey. Mason: Stepney, Sydney {Aust} Disney:West Ham. Cornish: Hull {UK} to Tasmania {Aust.} to Victoria {Aust} Catchpole: Sweeting: Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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cando
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Sue I searched the Sands & MacDougall directories not Post Office directories. I think you had to pay for your entry in the directory.
I have just found a listing at 150 William Road, Prahran in the 1892 S & M Directory. He is definitely not in the earlier directories.
1914 Post Office Directory
Williams Rd
150 Mrs E James [Earls Barton]
Earls Barton was the place of birth noted on the 1851 census for William.
Death
JAMES Elizabeth
Father Weir Robert Mother Elizabeth DONALDSON
At Armadale 82 years 1928 Reg#13081
Springvale Botanical Cemetery
JAMES Elizabeth
Date of Service 10 Oct 1928 Burial Prebyterian Monumental Compartment B Section 4 Grave 15
Public Grave - No
This memorial is held in perpetuity - for all time
So she was born 1846 and William JAMES 1814.
Sue the properties may have been transferred to avoid death duties. Perhaps with his health failing it may have been a way of making sure his wife and two young sons had income from property rentals. He had substantial mortgages as well.
It seems he only owned the actual house block at 150 Williams Road - cnr of Irene Place. I thought initially it may have been a small farm, but evidently not so. Wonder why it has been referred to as Irene Place the name of the side street and not the name of the property Earls Barton.
Perhaps there was a headstone on the JAMES grave and it has deteriorated to such an extent, it is illegible. Transcriptions were done in 1987.
I was surprised to find a MI for my ggrandparents grave at St Kilda - they died in 1896 and 1897. A kind person from RAOGK photographed it and it appears that one of my grandfather's brothers 'restored' the grave...probably in the 1940's.
Cheers
Cando
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sparrett
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Hi chrismar and All,
I popped up the road and round a couple of corners this morning to take a look at 150 Williams Rd.
I think I really hoped to see "Earl's Barton" name still on the wall at the front door or on the fence, but despite all my peering through the gate, I don't think it is there any more.
You can see on Street View g**gle maps it is a lovely old Hawthorn brick house and quite substantial with a verandah on 2 sides and all embellished with cast iron lace.
The block is very deep and reaches almost halfway down Irene Place.
You will be interested to know, chrismar, that it seems almost 'untouched' with the garden and window draperies very much in keeping with the house in its heyday.
As you can see I have had a good snoop which I greatly enjoyed 
Cando, I will try to look in the WISE Post Office Directory next time I am at The Library and see if W. James appears at the address.
Thanks for reading the Probate document more accurately than I had. It 's bit more sensible now.
Sue
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cando
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Sue I had a snoop yesterday and on satellite view you will see there has been large extension to the original home. I think the probate documents listed the block with a 50 foot frontage and 150 feet deep. Love the lovely old Hawthorn brick homes.
I also noted that there was mention of crops, liveststock etc in the probate documents. [Nil noted] Was he a retired farmer?
I am wondering what is known about William's other chn, apart from Agnes, from his first marriage? Some of them may have even predeceased him as a couple were teenages in 1853 when they emigrated to Victoria.
Unfortunately the 1898 Argus has not been digitised. Of the 1890's decade only 1891 and 1892 have been processed or in the stage of being processed. We will have to wait for our resident library sleuth, judb, to find William's death notice.
Cheers
Cando
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judb
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
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Here is the Death Notice
The Argus, Melbourne, Friday 25 February, 1898
JAMES - on the 24th February at his residence Earl's Barton 150 Williams Rd Prahran, William, the beloved husband of Elizabeth James.
There was no funeral notice. Hmmm - which Elizabeth??
It was 98F that day (but a change was expected) and there had been terrible bush fires around Melbourne in the preceeding couple of weeks with a Fund set up to help victims. There are a couple of articles about the money not being distributed quickly enough.
Couldn't see any mention of him in the rest of the paper.
NO death or funeral notice for Elizabeth1 (died 1869)
Judith
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DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset
MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts
SONE - Hants
WRIGHT - London, Hants
SEAGER - Deptford
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sparrett
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Judith, you are a Wonder!!!
What amazing little things you find to tell us.
It is very odd that there is no mention whatever of those children of his.
Perhaps they were just Very Private People 
No funeral notice and apparently no headstone (although Cando has made valid comment on this)
I do hope chrismar enjoys all this wonderful information.
Sue
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cando
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Marriage
JAMES Charles b.England
ALWAY Sarah Smith b. Gloucestershire
1872 Reg#4490
Births
JAMES Charles Alfred
Father Charles Mother Sarah Smith ALWAY
At Malvern 1874 Reg# 3482
JAMES Ruth Elizabeth
Father Charles Mother Sarah Smith ALWAY
At Malvern 1876 Reg#17464
Australian Electoral Rolls
Victoria 1909
JAMES Charles 28 Trinian Street, Prahran Collector
JAMES Ruth Elizabeth 28 Trinian Street, Prahran Teacher
JAMES Sarah Smith 28 Trinian Street, Prahran Home duties
Deaths
JAMES Sarah Smith
Fathe: Alway Thomas Smith Mother Elizabeth AMOS
64 at Prahran 1912 Reg#3234
JAMES Charles
Father James William Mother Elizabeth UNKNOWN
At Prahran 92 years 1936 Reg#2828
JAMES Charles Alfred
Father James Charles Mother Sarah SMITH
At Balwyn 74 years 1948 Reg#8309
JAMES Ruth Elizabeth
Father Charles Mother Sarah ALWAY
Death Place: KEW
At Kew 84 years 1962 Reg#5619
Cheers
Cando
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cando
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Burial record
Springvale Botanical Cemetery
JAMES Ruth Elizabeth
Date of Service 29 Mar 1962
Burial - Baptist - Monumental Compartment A Section 27 Grave 40
Public Grave No
This memorial is held in perpetuity - for all time
Cando
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cando
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William's death certificate would give you information on his children ie who was living and who was deceased.
There are so many JAMES on the Vic indexes but going by the place of birth this may be Lucy and the names of the children include her grandfather's name Jephat.
Marriage
JAMES Lucy b. Oxford
DAWBARN John
1869 Reg#2108
Births
DAWBARN John Hamilton
Father John Mother Lucy JAMES
At Williamstown 1870 Reg#5950
DAWBARN Frances Lelia
Father John Mother Lucy JAMES
1871 Reg#1513x1898
DAWBARN Alfred William
Father John Mother Lucy JAMES
At Williamstown 1873 Reg#13574
DAWBARN Robert Charles
Father John Mother Lucy JAMES
At Williamstown 1875 Reg#6246
DAWBARN Harry Japhet
Father John Mother Lucy JAMES
At Sandridge 1877 Reg#5189
DAWBARN George Ellison
Father John Mother Lucy JAMES
At St Kilda 1878 Reg#25862
DAWBARN James Ridgway
Father John Mother Lucy JAMES
At Prahran 1880 Reg#18017
DAWBARN Lucy Elizabeth G
Father John Mother Lucy JAMES
At Prahran 1883 Reg#25666
Death
DAWBARN John Hamilton
Father John Mother Lucy JAMES
5 years born Williamstown 1875 Reg#15105
DAWBARN John
Father Richard Ellison Mother Deborah REYNOLDS
45 years at Prahran 1883 Reg#2873
Mistranscribed
DAWBORN Lucy
Father Unknown Mother Unknown UNKNOWN
66 years at Kew 1913 Reg#13760
Australian Electoral Roll
1909 Victoria
DAWBARN George 54 Motherwell Street, Hawksburn Pastry cook
DAWBARN Lucy Elizabeth 54 Motherwell Street, Hawksburn Shop hand
DAWBARN Lucy 54 Motherwell Street, Hawksburn Home duties.
There are 5 DAWBARN burials at St Kilda Cemetery and 2 at Springvale.
http://www.deceasedsearch.com/index.php
There are no MI's for those buried at St Kilda Cemetery.
Cando
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Thanks, Sue. 