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Topic: Family history is thoroughly corrupted (Read 2320 times)
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Sylviaann
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 2854
Isabella Barette
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Yes this subject has been discussed many many times.
Many years ago before the internet was popular I sent a copy of my tree to a distant relative. I had researched it on Parish registers at the LDS. This person put it on Rootsweb. It is now on Ancestry. One of my ancestors who died in 1851, I have the death cert, was resurrected in America with a new family. How clever.
Use the trees as a guide only and check everything
Sylviaann
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukNorfolk: Gooch, Loveday, Lake, Betts Suffolk: Gooch, Crosby, Turner Hampshire: Laws, Burrows Kent: Beer Jersey: Barette, de Gruchy East London: Middleton, Gower, O'Farrell, Smith, Weston |
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sunflower
RootsChat Aristocrat
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I made contact with a chap on the GR site regarding on of my families. I couldn't see any connection and wrote to tell him so. When next I was checking my tree matches I noticed he had started to put some of my familes into his tree. ( even ones that we hadn't written about originally) I quickly closed my tree and wrote to ask him what connection he had found. His answer was ' I'm still working on it'
I reported him to the GR team who didn't want to know. They said if he hadn't put any living relations on his tree, then there was no problem.
I've learnt my lesson.
Carol
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Derby- Bamford,Slater,Marriott,Lee,Fox,Hopkinson,Hawksley, Furniss, Froggatt, Stodd. Notts - Breeding, Lacey Marriott ,Kershaw,Chambers,Geeson,Mitchell,Watts,Peel,Potts,Slack,Robinson, Cooper Yorkshire - Potts, Bell, Derbyshire, Kershaw Worcestershire - Dyson, Summers, Dearn, Jones Warwickshire - Russon Leicestershire - Stodd, Sarson, Berridge, Watts, Bradshaw. Middlesex / Surrey - Markham, Pearce, Kalaher, Barrett This information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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kerryb
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 11962
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Sometimes it feels a bit like some people just want to be the first to 10,000 names in their tree or find a hidden royal rather than find out about the history of the ancestors that lived along the root and branches of our own tree. In other words it doesn't seem to matter how they get there!
Kerry 
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSearching for my family - Baldwin - Sussex, Middlesex, Cork, Pilbeam - Sussex, Harmer - Sussex, Terry - Surrey, Kent, Rhoades - Lincs, Roffey - Surrey, Traies - Devon & Middlesex & many many more to be found on my website .... www.kerrysfamilyhistory.co.uk |
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Nick29
RootsChat Aristocrat
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Well, it's only a hobby !
If I was a stamp collector, and I put my favourite penny black in the Hungarian section, that would be nobody else's business or folly, except my own.
You do not own your ancestors. If someone else wants to marry off your great Aunt Gladys to Tommy Cooper, then you can't stop them. They can do it "Just like that" 
The only thing I would object to would be if anyone entered the personal details of anyone living from my tree into the public domain.
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Best Wishes, Nick. Research interests: Field - Luton & Islington Hole - Somerset, Suffolk & Surrey Farnish, Parker, Cattermole, Last, Wasp, Church - Suffolk Lewin/Lowin/Lowen - Hertfordhire Martin - Eltham & Greenwich, Kent (London) Stead - Greenwich, London (Kent) & Maidstone Wood - Hertfordshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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kerryb
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 11962
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Yes but you wouldn't advertise in Stamp monthly that you had a penny black when in actual fact it was a Penny Red would you?
Kerry
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSearching for my family - Baldwin - Sussex, Middlesex, Cork, Pilbeam - Sussex, Harmer - Sussex, Terry - Surrey, Kent, Rhoades - Lincs, Roffey - Surrey, Traies - Devon & Middlesex & many many more to be found on my website .... www.kerrysfamilyhistory.co.uk |
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Tricia_2
RootsChat Veteran
Posts: 927
"Family ~ link to our past, bridge to our future"
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This sort of thing is very frustrating.
We don't own our ancestors, but they mean a lot to us & it's annoying when untruths are published about them.
However, it is up to each of us, who cares, to research properly.
I have published incorrect material without realizing it.
My 'tree' is a work in progress. It may be amended from time to time.
I try to check everything & I think that others should do likewise, but not all will. Some do not have the knowledge, inclination or education to research 'correctly'. For some people, finding a tree on the Internet IS research.
That's life, I suppose. We may get upset, but is it really worth it?
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« Last Edit: Sunday 28 June 09 23:15 UTC (UK) by Tricia_2 »
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Neal(e),Ropier,Jeynes/Jeens/Geens,Harris,Colley,Dyer,Baysand,Heeks~Glos Beckford/Grafton/Ashton B'ham
Hampton,Doyle~ Swansea,Merthyr/Dowlais,Pontypridd
Maldoon~Pontypridd,Frome
Davies~MerthyrTydfil
Llewellyn~S.Wales
Keefe,O'Keefe~MountainAsh,Pontypridd, PA
Svombo/Swambo/Swanbo~Greece Hydra; Cork/Queenstown; Glam~Cardiff,Pontypridd
Barry~Cork Queenstown; Glam
Thornton~Yorks Baildon; Glam Swansea,Merthyr
Jones~Carmarthen Llanboidy
Sarjant,Cole~B'ham,Leamington,Worcester
Hiley/Tirebuck/Mason~Bham
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Jean McGurn
RootsChat Veteran
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Firstly, I do not have my tree on the net.
While browsing Axxxxxxy family trees I come across quite frequently my gt grandfather is named in trees.
I have the shortest genealogy line in history, can name them on one hand., so why does his name crop up.
I check the trees if it is a public tree and cannot see any connection with him and the rest of the tree.
Please understand I might be wrong and is missing the missing link.
Because my line is short obviously I have spread out sidewards to include my gt gt grandfathers brothers and sisters to make my tree interesting for me.
Secondly, if while browsing these trees and you see an obvious mistake do you contact the owner of that tree to correct them. I dont but I do get irritated by it.
I try to back up and have a paper trail for verification when I can, if not, even my research has a question mark on it.
It is possible - unless you have a rare name - that the name that crops up is not your gt grandfather but someone else with the same name. They may even be uncles or cousins of your gt grandfather.
Depending on which part of the 19c they lived depends on how families were named. A lot of families in the early part of the 1800's may well have used their family names for their children. I know a lot of mine did.
Jean
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McGurn, Stables, Harris, Owens, Bellis, Stackhouse, Darwent, Co(o)mbe
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hamiltonhunt
RootsChat Member
Posts: 109
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It is not a matter of collecting names, you can get clues by other people's research. It is sill up to you to search out the sources to see if they are in fact your family and the right people in your family.
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ARMSTRONG: Ireland, Ontario, Minnesota, Montana, British Columbia BUCKLEY: Ireland, Co Cork, Ontario DONOVAN: Ireland, England DOOLEY: Ireland DOWNEY: Ireland HAMILTON: Co Armagh, Co Tyrone, Penang, Straits Settlements, Somerset, Monmouthshire, Ontario, British Columbia MACKEY: Ireland, Ontario, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon McINTYRE: Penang, Straits Settlements, Middlesex SAWYER: Norfolk, Somerset, Gloucester, Canada
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les_looking
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 306
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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For once i mostly i agree with Nick 
i read so many posts about which is best ie FMP, Genes, Ancestry etc, i actually subscribe to all of them,
and no matter how careful you are someone will abuse your generosity, kindness and it doesn't have to be from strangers, i was in contact with a cousin who until contact from genes had never spoken to before, he sent me massive emails asking this and that, yet somehow always avoided answering important questions from me, my Nan when she married put her Dads Brother as father, as she was under the legal age then, and her Dad was dead, so was done to avoid getting all kinds of documents, how ever many times i explained it to him, i found his tree on Ancestry and he had the brother as my Nans father, so obviously threw a whole line wrong, and checking for the same names on there i have found about 4 people have the same info' from him,
i found a personal photo i sent to him of my Nan and his Nan together with wrong tagged info, but what can you do? myself if i see a census form added to a tree i always try and check its correct rather than tag to my tree, if i can't i won't add it ,seems a silly thing to me to add a census from someone elses tree to yours, as the link when people look at someone elses tree then leads to how ever many people have added that census etc (hope that makes sense lol)
My tree on Ancestry is private unless i add people , but doesn't matter how much you trust someone, do you then know what they or the next person does with it, so you have to accept its public property and if you make sure yours is as correct as possible then hopefully you will be contacted by like minded people,
i have many of my cousins on my tree, as the information and links further back is amazing to find they lived in the same streets, before our families were even connected,
as many have said above best not to get to stressed about misinformation from other trees, if you find one genuine one with new information then it makes it worth while,
lol as an example for someone fishing i got this via genes and he had opened his tree, out of interest i clicked on it and he had 5 names himself his father his father etc and nothing else
so wouldn't be surprised if he sent loads like this to different people
"I have just spotted your entry and that for Richard, Mary, & Harriett.
I have a large database of ***** and connected names and if you would like to make contact maybe we can iterate to expand on your tree - no charge !! "
how honoured i was that he wasn't going to charge me
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Luzzu
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I found my family on a tree with refs to living people, I have asked three times for them to contact me, then requested that all refs to my tree be removed but have received no reply.
I also found a tree with references to living people including myself, my sisters and cousins and as the owner hadn't obtained the information from me or my close family it wasn't that accurate either. I contacted the tree owner and made a complaint to Ancestry. Ancestry said they investigated but because the information on the tree was incomplete, i.e., not full dates of births it wasn't in breach of their conditions. The tree owner hasn't removed them and doesn't seem bothered that she has caused offence.
I do have my tree on Ancestry and Genes but I am very careful who I open them to and never reveal living persons. When sharing photographs and documents, I have also learned my lesson as someone I thought I could trust just uploaded a photograph without asking. They have paid a price though because I have since uncovered some new photographs which I know they would die for but no way. Whenever I share something now, I make it a condition that it is kept for private use within the family and everyone agrees and I think that without exception everyone has said they prefer to work anyway.
I have noticed two trees which include my gt grandparents and gt, gt grandparents and which are totally inaccurate. Its like the owner has just taken pot luck with the census returns. I have thought about contacting the owners but then I think they wouldn't have gone so wrong if they were researching properly and from reading some of the replies tonight, would they thank me for it?
On the positive side, I have made a handful of excellent contacts (distant cousins) who I can trust and it has been a pleasure working with them and we have really helped each other. Making contact with these people and joining Rootschat have made my research all the more pleasurable as I think sometimes it can be a lonely hobby.
Luzzu
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A data source box/window should be a compulsory 'tick'.