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Topic: COMPLETE: NSW BDM not foolproof? (Read 697 times)
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laceytreigh
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Hi,
I have death certificates for my great grandfather and his wife, William Henry Kenney and Mary Ann (nee Heinz).
His has listed 5 sons, living, none deceased. Hers has 6 sons, living, none deceased. There is nothing to indicate that the extra one on hers wasn't born to him.
In NSW BDM, I have found births for 4 sons! All born in Sydney. William 1884, Leslie 1889, Arthur 1891 and Frederick 1894. Missing are Victor ?1885, and Albert, 2 years older than William. Would anyone know any reason why I can't find the other 2? Are records missing?
Also in the NSW BDM there is no birth from 1878 - 1884 for an Albert Heinz born to a Mary. Mary was born in Clarence Town, but that's not far enough north for me to suspect a QLD birth. They were married and died in Sydney.
Thanks for your help.
laceytreigh.
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laceytreigh
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Thanks for your replies.
I checked for a birth prior to their marriage just in case, but could not find. No reason to think baby had been born to different father.
There's only one Albert, born before William jnr was born in 1884. I had found his death, thanks though Jamjar.
There is an Albert born to William Kenney in 1878, but the mother is Emily. Maybe he was married before and no-one knew???...... I'll have to investigate that angle. Helps to toss a question around a bit!!
I couldn't find a marriage for William snr and Mary, that info was from Death Cert. William snr was 63 when he died in 1909, and according to Death cert was married at 36y.o, Waverley, Sydney, giving approx search window for marriage, but not found. Her D cert states married Sydney at 21y.o. She was born in 1861, so that makes around 1882/3 for marriage. But I still can't find registration.
The informant was one son for William's death and a different one for Mary's death. Thanks.
laceytreigh.
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lucybella
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Laceyt
What year did civil registration start in Australia? I am in Ireland and it did not start till 1864. Even then many people did not bother with it.
If you have a parish church or parish records in the area, you may find a church marriage.
I have had similar problems with ggrandparents children. On some of their birth certificates, the mothers surname is incorrect. Then I realised that the surname given to the registrar in answer to the question - mother's maiden name? - was the grandmother's name ! The mother misunderstood and gave HER mothers maiden name, and nobody noticed the mistake.
If you know Mary Heinz mothers maiden name it is worth checking under that, I hope you can follow what I am saying, sorry if I am not putting it clearly!!
In my case it happened with the first few children, although the couple were married before the births.
Lucy
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Les de B
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What year did civil registration start in Australia? I am in Ireland and it did not start till 1864. Even then many people did not bother with it.
If you have a parish church or parish records in the area, you may find a church marriage.
For NSW it was 1856. Before then it was church records i.e. baptism, marriage and burial records.
Les
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cando
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Parents weren't foolproof either...they forgot to register births or of left it too late and were not able to register.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/historyRecords.htm
The original 1856 Act establishing the process of civil registration required that a child's birth be registered within sixty days and it prohibited the District Registrar from registering the birth after six months. Given that many people lived long distances from a town and may have only visited irregularly, there were many children who did not have their births registered.
The complete page is worth reading.
Cheers
Cando
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laceytreigh
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That's an interesting page to read Cando. I may end up getting Albert's death cert. after all, it'll have to go on the list!
lucybella, how difficult is it to trace Irish ancestors? I've got some but I've yet to find a decent site to look for them. I keep getting the run around! Or diverted to an ancestry hosted site that wants my money!
laceytreigh
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lucybella
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Hi Laceythttp
I only began researching my family back in February, and have had reasonable success with some branches.
The Irish History Foundation, and the Ulster History Foundation were my main sources, along with the 1911 irish census on line.
The IHF is a pay per view, but there are parish records included, going back further than 1864 in some cases, and if you get one correct certificate, you can make an educated guess. I got back a long way on one branch of the tree. Having said that, I spent quite a bit too....
If you let me know who you are trying to trace I may be able to help you. All my own research centered around the north of Ireland so far. I live in the west.
The LDS genealogy has all the registered BDM online for Ireland, and I found that as good and better than visiting the General Registry Office in Dublin.
You can send me a PM and I will try to help in any way I can.
Best wishes
Lucy
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laceytreigh
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Thanks everyone!
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regross
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Hi,
Could this be Victor
8458/1886 KENNY VICTOR G WILLIAM MARY NEWTOWN
regards
Robyn
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