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Topic: Please help to find a marriage -COMPLETED edited again please close! (Read 340 times)
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Cell
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Hi,
I wonder if any of you would be so kind to help me find a marriage on the UHF (ancestryireland) site that I wish to purchase. It's for a Nixon Graham and Ellen Townsely in 1857,. ( exact date of the marriage was 11 May 1857 in a reg office ) -
I've searched and searched on their site for many hours and I just can not find either of the couple. There is only one Nixon Graham marriage on there that I can find (at a much later date, 1899) ,which I know that to be his son's marriage (as I hold that cert ) .
The trouble with the couple, (especially the name Nixon ) is that both their names do tend to get mistranscribed
The marriage is transcribed on the LDS pilot BMD site in 1857 as this :"Nickson or Nixon Graham" so my guess is that the entry was probably very hard to read ,as it seems the transcriber wasn't sure of the spelling of his Christian name - his bride (same ref details) is transcribed as Ellen Townsely .
Emerald ancestors also have the marriage ( where I got the exact day and month from) - Nixon is spelled as Nixon ( The correct spelling for this individual) but his bride is transcribed as Ellin this time (instead of Ellen ) plus a different spelling again for her surname Townsely
Graham can also be registered as Grahm sometimes( without the a between the h and the m) and sometimes even Grahams
It's the very first one of my families marriages in Antrim within early BMD time that I can't find on the UHF site in the years that I've been using them . They state that they hold Virtually all civil marriage records for Counties Antrim and Down 1845 to 1921 ( perhaps this is one of the virtual few marriages that they don't hold?)
I've tried as many variations of the names that I can think of off the top of my head. Here are some of the ones that I've tried for Nixon Graham:
I've tried Nixon , Nixson, Nickson, Nicholson, N icon , Nickon ( with both Grahm and Graham as the surnames - I also tried Nixon as his surname and Graham for his Christian name, just in case they have mixed up his Christian name with his surname).
For Ellen Townsely:
I 've tried Ellin, Ellen, Ellenor ( with Townsely, Townley,Townsley , Townseley)
I wonder if any of you rootschatters can come up with some suggestions for what either of them may be mistranscribed as .
I don't really want to order this marriage from the GRO unless I have to (which it looks as if I may have to, if I can't find them on the UHF), I'd much prefer to purchase it from the UHF site( far cheaper)
I'd be grateful if anyone can help
Kind regards 
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Purdy-Loughconnelly McNeill-Loughconnelly & Broughshane Graham -Derry,Ballymoney,Carrickfergus & Ballymena White-Broughshane Boyd-Ballymoney Roberts,Lloyd, Hopkin, Davies Carmarthenshire Parker Oystermouth/Mumbles. Carlsen (also called Carlson & Karlson )B in Former Russia (Finland) & Swansea S.Wales. Butler family Llangyfelach (Clydach & Ynystawe) Quarman Bitton & S.Wales Census information in my posts are crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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aghadowey
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Perhaps the problem is the spelling of Ellen's surname. Index to civil registration has the following marriage:
Nickson or Nixon Graham to Ellen TOWNSLEY
1857 Ballymoney Registration District
volume 2 page 338
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Cell
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Hi,
Thank you so much for looking.
I have that entry from the LDs transcribed civil indexes and Nixon's , but they are both a problem to find on the UHF site for the marriage. I just can't find either of the couple on there to purchase their marriage from them. (Nixon's father should be an Archibald, haven't a clue what Ellen's father was called)
Nixon and Ellen were married in Ballymoney reg office on 11 may according to Emerald's records
I have Ellen's surname spelled three different ways so far to date - it differs on the LDS BMD transcriptions to emerald ancestors transcribed records, then it differs again on a birth cert of one of her children - I do not not know which is the correct way to spell her surname. She probably didn't know herself .
I'm surprised that I can't find them on the UHF , I've never had one of my early marriages not being on there
Kind regards
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Purdy-Loughconnelly McNeill-Loughconnelly & Broughshane Graham -Derry,Ballymoney,Carrickfergus & Ballymena White-Broughshane Boyd-Ballymoney Roberts,Lloyd, Hopkin, Davies Carmarthenshire Parker Oystermouth/Mumbles. Carlsen (also called Carlson & Karlson )B in Former Russia (Finland) & Swansea S.Wales. Butler family Llangyfelach (Clydach & Ynystawe) Quarman Bitton & S.Wales Census information in my posts are crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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aghadowey
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The spelling of Ellen's surname is Townsley in civil index so it should appear that way in register and any other index.
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Cell
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Hi,
But the problem is that the (LDS) civil index is transcribed too, I can not totally rely on a transcription of the name by any individual
I probably made some mistakes whilst transcribing some of the entries too ( I hope I did not of course !) - humans err.
It takes one hit of the wrong key, or perhaps someone reads the name differently to the next person and you get two different transcriptions for the same entry/event . Emerald ancestors spells it as Ellin Townley, LDS Ellen Townsley and then the name is down as Townsely on one of her children's birth certificate
To date I have three different ways - two from transcriptions for the marriage ( LDS Civil indexes and Emerald) and then one from a birth cert - goodness knows what the UHF has transcribed the marriage if it as if it is on there
Nixon's name should read Nixon(or even just Nickson) in the civil index - it seems the transcriber of that page had difficulty reading the original as it is transcribed in the LDS's transcribed civil indexes as "Nickson or Nixon " - I doubt that those three exact words appear in the name column on the original indexes images
Kind regards:)
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Purdy-Loughconnelly McNeill-Loughconnelly & Broughshane Graham -Derry,Ballymoney,Carrickfergus & Ballymena White-Broughshane Boyd-Ballymoney Roberts,Lloyd, Hopkin, Davies Carmarthenshire Parker Oystermouth/Mumbles. Carlsen (also called Carlson & Karlson )B in Former Russia (Finland) & Swansea S.Wales. Butler family Llangyfelach (Clydach & Ynystawe) Quarman Bitton & S.Wales Census information in my posts are crown copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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DixieDee
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Hi Cell.
The index reference supplied by Aghadowey will get you a certificate or a photocopy of the original entry in the register, from,
Office of the Registrar General.
Government Offices,
Convent Road,
Roscommon,
Co Roscommon, Ireland.
Personally I would get a photocopy as it has all the details you need. The fee for a photocopy is €6.00 (euros).
Unfortunately I don't think it can be done using the internet.
Check out their website for details of fees, etc.
www.groireland.ie
Regards,
Dixie
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Antrim. Campbell, Carson,Dickson, Gilmore, Creaney
Down. Dickson, Fairley, Irvine, McCune, Carlisle,
Wilson, Quinn
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Cell
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Hi Dixie
thank you for your reply
I do know how to order certs , I've ordered enough of them. I also had all the info on this couple, the civil index refs , the exact date you name it , the exact place - I even have the father's name ( and also know what his occupation should be , and the address of the groom
Please see my first post- so there is absolutely no need for anyone to give me refs or dates,or anything else regarding that.
My post was merely just asking people if they could come up with some some suggestions what the names may be mistranscribed as on the UHF [u][/u] ( as I've tried all the ones that I can think of off the top of my head) . I would prefer to download this marriage cert off the UHF site.
Two heads better than one and all that 
Never mind, it's maybe easier just not asking for peoples general suggestions on what a name maybe mistranscribed as , I won't do it again.
Kind regards
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aghadowey
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Can't see anywhere in your 1st post, which has since been edited, that you already had the actual marriage record and since you mentioned you wanted to purchase the marriage it was natural enough for us to provide the reference details from civil registration and advice where you could obtain that certificate.
Hope you will eventually find the information you are looking for here.
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Cell
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Hi,
The first post is edited because I added the the word completed to the title !!!. ( to shut down this thread after the above replies )I have not altered any word in my first post - Please advise me how I can change a title of the first post / the thread's title so it does not read as edited!!  sigh .
The first post also says this "The marriage is transcribed on the LDS pilot BMD site in 1857 " _ if that does not honestly tell you something so be it.
I posted a question for just suggestions of what a name may be transcribed as. I wanted peoples general ideas, If you can not understand that, please don't bother .
Kind regards
P.s('ve just edited the title again - the title only _ as I did before! . The words I have just added to the title are " edited again please close"
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