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Sonmor
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Hello, I am finding it very difficult to locate my ancestors that are from Schleswig-Holstein. My ancestor is Johann Wilhelm Carl Rohweder (a carpenter)..born 9 September 1864 is Schleswig-Holstein,Germany he left Germany to come to Australia in 1883 and married a Catharina Maria Zinn...and they settled in Esk,Queensland. I have found his father as Heinrich Marius(or Marcus) Reinhold Rohweder (a tailor by trade) and Marie Caroline Christina Lueth(or Luth), which is from Johann's death record in Queensland, but to go beyond the time of 1864 in S-H is causing me some grief...total brickwall. I did email somebody with help on this matter (and their last name was Rohweder) and they sent me back a list of fees...which i thought..thanks a bunch  but i still dont have an answer to my question. I do realise that at the time of his birth this part of Germany was in fact Denmark, but again to no avail...nothing! I have been on most of the websites and nothing again. I do not know of any siblings except for one of Johanns which went to America...but as they did not speak of their families back then we dont know if he was older or younger or even what his name was. I have emailed another lady from Schleswig Holstein with the details and she has still come back saying i need more than a birthdate and place...not sure how to go forward from here...any suggestions,lookups,websites etc are welcomed.
Sonya
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Rohweder - Holstein,Germany/Esk,Queensland
Diehm - Dietenhan,Baden,Germany/Queensland,Australia
Kollner - Nicklashausen,Germany
Wardle - Deptford,Kent,Uk
Ormsby - Dublin,Ireland
Saltford - London,Uk
Curry - Queensland,Australia
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Peonie
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 300
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Hallo Sonya and welcome to rootschat,
There is a very good site for Schleswig Holstein, it has some Rohwedder emigrants,
unluckily only to 1870. There also are census (Volkszählung) for 1803. The main site
is in English.
http://www.genealogy-sh.com/index.htm
Good luck
Peonie
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JustinL
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Hello Sonya,
Until you can pin down Johann's place of birth, you will struggle a bit.
I would guess that the Rohweder family came from the Duchy of Holstein which had a German-speaking majority.
Censuses were conducted regularly by the Danes and an ever increasing volume of the returns are being made available on the internet.
The Arbeitskreis Volkszaehlung (Work Group Census) isa group of volunteers who have transcribed many of the censuses. In recent times they have been forced to charge a fee to access their databases, but you may have no alternative. Follow tghis link:
http://www.akvz.de/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.203
The only other suggestion I can make is to contact the Danish archives. They may at least be able to tell you when the 1860 and 1864 censuses will be available online.
Dansk Data Arkiv
Islandsgade 10
5000 Odense C
Phone: +45 66 11 30 10
Fax: +45 66 11 30 60
E-mail: mailbox@dda.sa.dk
Rgds,
Justin
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Sonmor
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Thank you for your replies.
Peonie - yes i have been onto that website and had a look..again, I think my problem might be that the Rohweder name also changes from Rohwer/Rohwedder/Rohweder..so this also makes it difficult finding the right people. I was also reading that that although someone may have had 3 names they would use 1 or all of them. So because Heinrich and Johann have 3 names each I could be looking at the same person or maybe not..very confusing!
Justin - thanks for that, Yes i have looked at this website also and agree that probably I will have to pay some Euros for someone to look around..my grandma was telling me when her parents would have a disagreement she she would call her husband "dutch b***ard"..lol..and he was more offended by the word dutch than the latter..So this maybe makes me think about the whole dutch side of it!
I will keep searching and contact the archives i think. Although I have Johann's date of birth as 9 September 1864 and being born in schleswig holstein I am not sure of which county to start..I will keep searching...
thanks again
Sonya
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Morley - Calverton/Nottingham,UK
Rohweder - Holstein,Germany/Esk,Queensland
Diehm - Dietenhan,Baden,Germany/Queensland,Australia
Kollner - Nicklashausen,Germany
Wardle - Deptford,Kent,Uk
Ormsby - Dublin,Ireland
Saltford - London,Uk
Curry - Queensland,Australia
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JustinL
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 1056
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Sonya,
There are also excellent German archives for the state of S-H in the town of Schleswig. This link takes you to the English language page.
http://www.schleswig-holstein.de/LA/EN/LA__node.html
However, they may not be able to offer much help without knowing Johann's place of birth.
Did your great-grandma say Dutch or Deutsch b****? To me, Rohwedder (and variants) is clearly German (Deutsch).
I'll have another look around for you.
Justin
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Sonmor
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Hi Justin, Yes, definitely a dutch...so and so..The year that he was born in 1864 was when S-H was part of Denmark, so I thought that is why the records might be in the Dansk Census..I find it quite funny that she would call him something like that but probably back then was a touchy subject. When they did settle in Australia they claimed to be Dutch because of the fighting that had been going on and kept to themselves so they were not recognised as Germans. Johann is my Great great grandfather, so it was my grandmother that told me that story yesterday as I have been pumping her for some information. I found Johann on a list of passengers from S-H and it named his parents which confirms with his parents on the registry of birth,death and marriage in Queensland,Australia. I have been trying to figure out the names of Johann's siblings by using his and his father Heinrich's names but this is stretching it I think.
My only concern was getting someone to look for me and paying them and then we have been looking in the wrong place, definitely S-H could be Rendsburgh though..another stab in the dark..
Thanks again.
Sonya
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Morley - Calverton/Nottingham,UK
Rohweder - Holstein,Germany/Esk,Queensland
Diehm - Dietenhan,Baden,Germany/Queensland,Australia
Kollner - Nicklashausen,Germany
Wardle - Deptford,Kent,Uk
Ormsby - Dublin,Ireland
Saltford - London,Uk
Curry - Queensland,Australia
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JustinL
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Hello Sonya,
I wonder why he wanted to conceal his German origins. Very strange.
The Danish census of 1864 was probably taken before Johann was born, but his parents would be recorded. I believe the 1855 censuses were filmed by the Mormons.
Have you looked at the distribution of Rohwedder in the Danish 1803 census? Rendsburg is certainly a possible birthplace, as are Neumünster and Friedrichstadt. They had the highest concentrations, but the name also occurred in a smaller parishes, particularly in Dithmarschen, which experienced a major wave of emigration.
There was a 14-year-old Marcus Hinrich Rohwedder recorded in Neumünster in 1803. Could he possibly be an ancestor?
Another possibility is that he moved to Hamburg (as my ancestors did). The State Archives in Hamburg hold the historical registration cards for 'foreigners', i.e. people born outside the Free City.
Justin
PS Following annexation by Prussia in 1866, the law regarding compulsory military service came into force. All men between 18 and 22 years of age were obliged to serve three years in the Prussian army. That law probably led my ancestors to emigrate.
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Sonmor
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 6
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Hi Justin, Many of the German people that came to Australia hid the fact that they were indeed German, and they kept to themselves in their communities...
Johann fled Germany in 1883 to avoid being drafted into the war..as did many of them!
Yes I have been onto the familysearch.org website and the danish census and have found a few little things of interest. But the name changes so much.. I am just writing to a geneaologist Hans-Peter Voss..from a S-H website and just asking if it worth him having a look even though I am unsure of where exactly he is from.
Question??? In the Danish records...is the wife listed with her maiden name always?? or are they not married or is there another reason why the wife is listed with a different name?
Thanks
Sonya
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Morley - Calverton/Nottingham,UK
Rohweder - Holstein,Germany/Esk,Queensland
Diehm - Dietenhan,Baden,Germany/Queensland,Australia
Kollner - Nicklashausen,Germany
Wardle - Deptford,Kent,Uk
Ormsby - Dublin,Ireland
Saltford - London,Uk
Curry - Queensland,Australia
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JustinL
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Hello Sonya,
There was no specific war to be drafted into, it was the military service that the young men wanted to evade.
I know Hans-Peter Voss as I was a member of the AKVZ for a short time. Contacting him would be a good start, I think his English is ok.
The repeated use of women's maiden names suggests that there may have been no legal obligation to adopt the husband's surname. Hans-Peter can probably answer that. Scottish records from the early 19th century also reflect that practice.
Justin
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