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Topic: Census Old Cleve - GARDINER (Read 353 times)
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Lance Matthews
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Could some kind person help me find Jane Gardiner, or Gardner, born Old Cleve, Somerset, 1851/1852.
I am trying to find who her parents were and if she had any brothers, or sisters. Jane married William George Sully, at Eastry, Kent, in 1887.
Perhaps she will turn up in 1851 or 1861 censuses, for Somerset.
All help will be very much appreciated.
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mkcmiller
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Theres a 1871 Census
Jane Gardner 1852 Old Cleeve, Somerset aged 19
Parents James Gardner 51, Farm Labourer and Sarah Gardner 52
Siblings Samuel 10 and Sarah 13
Address was 5 Midle Street, Carhampton, Somerset
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1861 - RG9/1602; Folio: 48; Page: 13 - Carhampton
street address could be 'Poor House' ?
Robert Gardner 35 Head Ag Lab Nettlecombe
Emma Gardner 26 Wife Carhampton
Jane Gardner 7 dau Old Cleeve
Ana Gardner 5 dau do
Charles Gardner 3 son do
James Gardner 1 son do
Elizabeth Gardner 53 Sister Pauper Nettlecombe
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suzard
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Have you got the correct marriage date??
There is a marriage 1877 - but William Sully has no middle name?
Looks like you will need to purchase the marriage cert to be certain who father is
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Heres the 1861 version of the Family that MKCMiller found ...
1861 - RG9/1603; Folio: 127; Page: 24 - Old Cleeve
'Binham'
James Gardiner 42 Head Ag Lab Nettlecombe
Sarah Gardiner 42 Wife Ufculme
Richard Gardiner 10 son Old Cleeve
Jane Gardiner 8 dau do
Mary Gardiner 6 dau do
Sarah Gardiner 4 dau do
Samuel Gardiner 4 Mo son do
Looks like you need the Marriage Cert to confirm via Father's name, which is her family
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mkcmiller
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oh past master you beat me to the 1861 census, I was just about to type that one too  !!!!! I would agree that it does look like Poor house for the address
only thing is she is down as B:1854 (so could be 1853) so sounds like there 2 Jane Gardners in the area........
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the 2 janes lived very close!!!!
1871
2 Middle St carhampton
Robert gardner Head 45 Farm lab Nettlecombe
Emma wife 34 Laundress minehead
Charles son 13 Ols Cleve
James son 11 Old Cleve
John son 1 carhampton
Jane daughter 17 Old Cleve
Emma daughter 6 Carhampton
Charlotte daughter 4 Carhampton
5 Middle St
james Gaedner Head 51 Farm lab Nettlecombe
Sarah wife 52 Ulfculme devon
Samuel son 10 Old Cleve
Jane daughter 19 Old Cleve
Sarah daughter 13 Old Cleve
and at 9 Middle St -the Sully family!!!
RG10 2350 44 5
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Lance Matthews
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Thank you all for your help on this matter.
I feel sure that the parents of Jane were James & Sarah of 5 Middle Street, Carhampton.
Jane married William Sully in Kent. They next turn up in the 1881 census at Walmer Calvary Barracks. William Sully is shown as SRGT R.M.L.I., aged 32, born Carhampton.
In the 1871 Census is William Sully living at 9 Middle Street.
I know this is the corredt family, as a relative has William's medals.
Would it be possible to know where William & Jane, plus family, were living in 1891. He may have left the army.
Many thanks for all the information
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mkcmiller
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1901 Census
Lower Street Cottage??? Carhampton
William Geo Sully 52 Head General Labourer
Jane Sully 49 Wife
James Sully 21 Son Bus Driver
Arthur Wm Sully 18 Son cant read occupation sorry
Maud Sully 16 Dau dressmker
Mabel Sully 14 Dau
Edith Sully 12 Dau
Lilian Sully 9 Dau
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mkcmiller
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1891 census
William Sully Head 41 Staff Sergeant R.M.L.I
Jane Sully Wife 39
Kate E Sully Dau 12/14
James Sully Son 11
Mary J Sully Dau 10
Arthur W Sully Son 8
Maud Dau 6
Mabel Dau 4
Edith Dau 2
not sure on the address, something like 4 Devonford Street
East Stonehouse, Devonfort, Devon
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Lance Matthews
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Thank you all again for your latest information.
My final question was William Sully living at 9 Middle Street, Carhampton in the 1871 Census. if so do we know the names of his parents, plus occupation and names and ages of brothers/ sisters.
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mkcmiller
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1871 census shows him at 'South Barracks' aged 20 as a Private
1851 Census - residence Carhampon Village
William Sully Head 35 Shopkeeper and Carpenter B:Dunster?
Ann Sully Wife 31 Shop Employee B:Carhampton
Eliza Sully Dau 7
Mary Sully Dau 5
Elizabeth Dau 3
William Son 1
all children B:Carhampton
there is a 1861 census that shows a william sully B:1852 in Old Cleeve but again this is a different William Sully
in 1861 Elizabeth is shown as living with her grandmother Mary Escott Inn Keeper aged 75 and a george cridland aged 25 boarder at King William Inn?
On the same sheet there is also an Escott family shown living in Carhampton Village
I cant fnd anytrace of the others yet in 1861?
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Lance Matthews
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Thank you for this information.
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whats the HO107 Refn for that 1851 family ?
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