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Curttom
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Gavin and Roach families
« on: Monday 29 June 09 14:12 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

I am looking for any info on Gavin family Swineford and Roach family Foxford, Co Mayo.

Both worked as Limestone Quarrymen in or near Trimdon Co. Durham in the 1911 census. Both were Roman Catholic.

I would be grateful if anyone has any thoughts.

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Re: Gavin and Roach families
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 15:30 UTC (UK) »

Hi Curttom,

Can I just clarify things. Do you know when these families emigrated from Mayo?

I am looking at your thread re the families in Sedgefield - are these the families you are looking for now in Mayo?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,389111.0.html

There is a Thomas Roach and family in Trimdon in 1881 and he is born Mayo.
There is also a John born 1845 in Foxford. He is a widower with children who were born Trimdon.  Is this your John...the age is a bit different. He is with a wife Ann in 1871 and children.

Knowing when they arrived in England may help with looking for Irish records.

best wishes
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Gavin and Roach families
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 15:59 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for your reply, Heywood.

I have found a definate for the Roach family in Trimdon on 1911 census, confirmed by an Aunt.

John Roach b. Co Mayo abt 1856, m. Margaret Truman Sheraton b.Trimdon abt 1853. Married 29 years.

The Thomas Gavin you mention is the only family I can find which fits the family of my Uncle James Anthony Gavin but I am not positive about this one. I know he had a sister Margaret but we thought  they were the only children but being R.C. I would be surprised if that was the case.My Uncle's mother and father, Eleanor or Nellie and James died when he was 17 and he has since died so details are very sketchy.

Thanks for your interest, I know I am clutching at straws!

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Re: Gavin and Roach families
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 16:05 UTC (UK) »

Just to add, The other John Roach born Foxford, my Aunt thinks was a cousin, so that is why I am assuming Foxford for my John Roach but could be entirely wrong!

We don't know when they arrived in Co. Durham I'm afraid.

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Re: Gavin and Roach families
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 17:51 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for your reply, Heywood.

I have found a definate for the Roach family in Trimdon on 1911 census, confirmed by an Aunt.

John Roach b. Co Mayo abt 1856, m. Margaret Truman Sheraton b.Trimdon abt 1853. Married 29 years.

The Thomas Gavin you mention is the only family I can find which fits the family of my Uncle James Anthony Gavin but I am not positive about this one. I know he had a sister Margaret but we thought  they were the only children but being R.C. I would be surprised if that was the case.My Uncle's mother and father, Eleanor or Nellie and James died when he was 17 and he has since died so details are very sketchy.

Thanks for your interest, I know I am clutching at straws!

Curttom. 

Hi again,
You mean Roach here don't you? (I hope so or I'm totally confused- I've not looked at the Gavins yet.)
I think I read that you had applied for the marriage certificate of John and Margaret Truman- that may help as it will give his status at marriage and father's name.
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Re: Gavin and Roach families
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 18:44 UTC (UK) »

You would think that the  various Roach families in Trimdon from Ireland are connected - one or two state Mayo and the names seem to be family names.

The 1881 census can be viewed freely:

The main ones to be connected:

1881 RG11; Piece: 4904; Folio: 65; Page: 3
James 24 yrs  and Bridget Roach with 2 young children and 3 boarders including Anthony Roach and Patrick Gelday.

(This Anthony Roach is 'unmarried' so not sure re the following marriages)

Free BMD marriage 1878
Spouses
Bridget Gilday
Mary Kelly
Anthony Roach
James Roach

1891 RG12; Piece: 4057; Folio 86; Page 14
your family with a boarder Anthony Roach 30 yrs single

I wonder if John, James and Anthony are brothers? They seem to be the same generation.

Then there are others, a younger group  who are around Coxhoe area in 1901 - for example a James 28 yrs with brothers John 23 yrs and  Thomas 18 yrs.
If it were possible, a search of marriages and baptisms in the local Catholic church may be a help - fathers' names, witnesses and godparents if they are entered on the church register.
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Re: Gavin and Roach families
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 20:25 UTC (UK) »

Sorry to confuse you, I thought the Thomas you mentioned was Gavin not Roach.
Sticking with the Roach's then I think you could be right about them being brothers. It makes sense that they came over together, possibly during the potato famine.

I am waiting for my Aunt to return home as she may have certs and more info back there in the North East. If not I will order certs. I was trying to help her while she is staying here but I will just have to be patient until she returns.

Thanks for your interest, I know it is difficult to trace Irish Ancestors and I was hoping someone may have a magic key to unlock the past!

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Re: Gavin and Roach families
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 07:50 UTC (UK) »

Hello again,
I was trying to look for the Gavins but am unsure if you have anything concrete yet.
I understand where you got the possible /Foxford connection but am wondering re the Gavin/Swinford connection.
Sorry to keep asking these - just trying to pinpoint the Gavins.

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Re: Gavin and Roach families
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 17:39 UTC (UK) »

It is me who should apologise for being so vague, but it is all I have at the moment. All we know for sure is that both sets of parents were Irish and that James and Eleanor were my Uncles parents, from the West Cornforth/Coxhoe/Trimdon Village area, they lived in all 3 places at some point.

Thanks again and sorry I can't be more specific.

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Re: Gavin and Roach families
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 18:14 UTC (UK) »

Oh no worries!

I think it would be a really good idea to get the marriage certificate of James and Nellie/Eleanor. That would confirm both fathers.

Then if you are sure that Thomas Roach and Margaret Truman are yours that certificate would also help.

There is a James Michael aged 5 yrs in 1911 census in Coxhoe that I can see. Did you download that information?
The parents are possibly Thomas and Jane - Thomas born Ireland and Jane born Coxhoe. They have several children in 1901.
Free BMD has a marriage -possibly them in 1889. They are in Cornforth in 1891 if it is them as Gavan.
He seems to be the only Gavin/Gavan of around that age so as before wondered where the Swinford connection comes from.

It is always difficult with Irish origins in the census - why didn't they insist of county at least?  Roll Eyes

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