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1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« on: Wednesday 20 July 05 15:13 UTC (UK) »

I'm looking for Thomas Upton Fogden (or Thomas Fogden Upton) b 1808 Oving, in the 1851 census

He died in 1852 in Westhampnett RD so he must be in the Chichester area.

Any help appreciated

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Sarah


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Re: 1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« Reply #1 on: Friday 22 July 05 18:25 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sarah,
                 noticed you have not had any luck. Was Thomas married? I have the 1841 and have had a quick look through the outskirts of Chichester but as yet have only come up with the following

HO107/1100  RUMBOLDS WHYKE ED 1  YORK STREET

THOMAS FOGDEN 50 AG LAB
MARY 50
MARY 20 CLAY? MAKER
ELIZABETH 15
THOMAS 13

Any idea where your Thomas was born or married?
Best Wishes

Diane Grin
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Re: 1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« Reply #2 on: Friday 22 July 05 20:39 UTC (UK) »

Hi Diane

Thanks for your reply

I think Thomas Upton Fogden marries a Sarah Harris in 1833 in Portsea - at least that is the only IGI reference I can find for this unusual name

My ancestors are the Aylwards based around Hunston, Birdham, Donnington.
In various years they leave money/property in wills to Thomas Upton Fogden, William Overington Fogden (I have him in the censuses now thanks to a rootschat reply) and George Upton Field. The Uptons and Fogdens must be inter-related and be taking maiden names as middle names

I'm guessing they must be related somehow to my Aylwards since they are in the wills  but didn't know where to start so I thought if I  found them in census it would give me family names and I could see if they married into my family.

Any advice welcome!

Thanks
Sarah


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Re: 1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« Reply #3 on: Friday 22 July 05 20:44 UTC (UK) »

Oh and IGI baptism has Thomas' parents as Thomas and Elizabeth
There is a marriage between a Thomas Upton and Elizabeth Fogden in 1807 in Oving so this could be they

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Sarah
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Re: 1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 23 July 05 11:07 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sarah,
                  have gone through Chichester page by page and found 17 Fogdens. Many pages are unreadable also in surrounding areas, and some are completely blank. Have not found any more with the name Thomas yet.Will keep looking.

Diane
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Re: 1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 23 July 05 16:26 UTC (UK) »

thank you
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Re: 1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 23 July 05 18:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sarah,
               sorry but that is the only Thomas I could find.Here are a few of the other Fogdens found 1841.
HO107/1100
WALNUT TREE INN, MUNDHAM
JOSEPH 35
JANE 35
JOHN 10
JANE 8
ELEANOR 6
HENRY 5
JOSEPH 2
CAROLINE 6 MONTHS

HO107/1103 EARNLEY 
FRANCIS FOGDEN 40 FARMER
AGNES 35
FANNY 12

HO107/1100  DONNINGTON
GEORGE FOGDEN 55 TAILOR
MARY 50  NOT BORN SUSSEX
ELIZABETH 20
CAROLINE 20
WILLIAM 12
CATHERINE 11
EMMA 8

HO107/1099 PAGHAM  ROSE GREEN
HENRY FOGDEN 30
ANN 25
FRANCES 11
HENRY  10
EDMUND 8
GEORGE 7
MARY 5
CAROLINE 3
BOY 1

HO107/1119  CHICHESTER
FRANKLIN PLACE
GEORGE 30 AG LAB
MARY 40
SARAH 13
EMMA 11
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ALFRED ?
MALE 5
CHARLES 3

Just a few.Im sorry I could'nt find him for you Cry. I don't think the 1851 is available for this part of Sussex. Maybe a few Parish Register requests may fill in the blanks or maybe someone else is researching the same famillies and can give you the info you need. All the best with that search.

Diane Grin
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Re: 1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« Reply #7 on: Monday 25 July 05 08:18 UTC (UK) »

thank you for all your help....I'll start looking through these families and see who they marry...you never know the link may be hidden in there somewhere....

regards
Sarah
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Re: 1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« Reply #8 on: Monday 25 July 05 12:58 UTC (UK) »

No Thomas Fogden  or Upton in the Chichester 1851 index.  Sorry
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Re: 1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« Reply #9 on: Monday 25 July 05 14:35 UTC (UK) »

thank you for looking Andrea
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Re: 1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« Reply #10 on: Monday 25 July 05 16:04 UTC (UK) »

Sussex Marriage Index
16 May 1807 Archdeaconry of Chichester Marriage Licence
Elizabeth Fogden spinster 21 Trotton (sev.yrs) to Thomas Upton bach 21 yeoman Oving (sev. yrs)
Sponsors ss T.U.; James U. yeoman Southbersted
I assume that the U is short for Upton
19 May 1807 Marriage at Trotton, West Sussex   Groom of Oving
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Re: 1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 18 December 05 18:54 UTC (UK) »

hi  Smiley

i'm so pleased i found this post!

although i cant shed any light on the this person....yet.. if you do find a link  between these two families anywhere please contact me as i have details...recently adding into tree actually...of FOGDEN's AND OVERINGTON's in sussex although mainly they are in surrey.
For me these are linked into my tree through the HEDGER/COULTON/MORRISS line

if you could please let me know the folio number and page number of census records then we can check for links.

any details of these names found in this area is of great interest to me.

Thankyou

xSJx
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AYLING, BLACKBOROW, BOOKER, BOWLEY, BRIDGER, CLEAR, COULTON, CUTLER, DAVIES, DUVAL, FLAMBARD, GARDNER, GOVER, GRAY, JONES, LUDGATE, MILLYARD, OLIVER, SOWTER, TOUZEL......AND MANY MORE
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Re: 1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 20 December 05 08:58 UTC (UK) »

Hi again
The age of this Thomas does not quite fit but he is married to a Sarah
1851 HO 107 1653 F24 p26 White House Lane? Bury
Thomas Fogden Hd 46 Collector of taxes b Fittleworth
Sarah wi 42 Domestic Nurse b Bury
Frank son 4
Mary Jane da 3
Sarah da 2? months   all b Bury
Caroline Pullen serv 14 House servant b Bury

What was his occupation on the death certificate?
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Re: 1851 lookup please Chichester and surrounds
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 13:07 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sarah
I am in possession of a number of original Indenture Documents (among others items) regarding Thomas Fogden (Elder and Junior) of Oving circa 1830. I will be selling them - but maybe you may wish to cast your eye over them before I do.

Regards
Terry Driscoll
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