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lizdb
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Re: Margaret Watson
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 10:13 UTC (UK) »

Not sure what you mean - 'no' to what!

So - have you got the marriage cert for 1887? (6 yrs after he is with Jane and child John in 1881)

What did this baby, John's bith cert say about parents - father Emmanuel or John? Mothers maiden name? etc.

(And I am taking it from your later replies that the possible birth dates for Robert and Margaret of 1810 are a red herring, as there is no finding to suggest that?)
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Re: Margaret Watson
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 10:23 UTC (UK) »

Hi
When I said no I meant there was no previous marriage for the parents!
Yes 1810 is only an c. for Emmanuel's parents
John's parents are Emmanuel John and Jane A nee Hasselwood

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Re: Margaret Watson
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 10:51 UTC (UK) »

No luck I'm afraid. Do you have any idea when Robert died? there is one death in Hull but it's just a guess and makes him 1801 born.  Maybe Margaret remarried after Emmanuel was born.


Deaths Jun 1877
Forsyth    Robert    aged 76 Hull    9d    139

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Re: Margaret Watson
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 10:56 UTC (UK) »

hi
Mmm that's interesting and a lead for me to follow
No Margaret never remarried as she is on a later census living with I presume a daughter and son in law
Elizabeth Forsyth
Age: 81 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 
Relation: Mother-in-law 
Gender: Female
Where born: Keyingham
this is 1891
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Re: Margaret Watson
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 11:04 UTC (UK) »

Why do you think that this 81 yr old Elizabeth Forsyth, mother in law to Rose Ann Cooper (or possibly actually mother, as head of h/h is missing)  is the same person as Margaret Forsyth nee Watson, mother of Emanuel?
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Re: Margaret Watson
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 11:34 UTC (UK) »

If if was Elizabeth then I have noticed her in several censuses. But it is a leap from Margaret to Elizabeth unless she was Margaret  Elizabeth Watson.

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Re: Margaret Watson
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 11:43 UTC (UK) »

Yes Wendy it is Elizabeth!

There are several Forsyth families around who use the same range of names -  Emmanuel John and Jane had a Rose Ann themselves (on 1891 census age 6) and if you remember right at the beginning I found a William and ELizabeth with son Emmanuel. I have also seen some Margaret Forsyths in my travels around the censuses (indeed Emmanuel John and Jane A had one of those too, age 1 in 1891)

But nothing is tying up, so there is a trick missed somewhere, or a wrong assumption made, or something.

I still havent found Emmanuel John and Jane A Hasselwood's marriage.
Normsy said it was 1887, but they are already together in 1881 with baby John whose birth cert Normsy has. Other children follow as 1891 showed (James then 9, Rose Ann 6, Ethel 2 and Margaret 1)

So - if they didnt marry till 1887, why not? Or did they marry earlier? Either way I can see marriage
Have you got the marriage cert Normsy? If so what is the date? are they both spinster/bachelellor? any previous names? what are fathers names and occupations? etc etc

There seem to be Forsyths from Cumberland with some familiar names moving down to Yorkshoire, cant remember which census I picked that up from now, I 've looked at so many! So it is certainly possible that Emmanuels parents, who we have evidence from the birth cert are Robert and Margaret, may have come down from even further, say, Scotland and maybe only for Emmanuel's birth? visiting rellies when it all happened? who knows!

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Re: Margaret Watson
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 12:08 UTC (UK) »

Well we've made some progress.

What a conundrum!!

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