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Robert & Mary Ann CAMPBELL Lookup Request
« on: Tuesday 30 June 09 10:38 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

Robert Campbell (b 1840 Cramlington) and Mary Ann Campbell (b 1847) arrived in Victoria on "Lusitania" in September 1887.

They also had five children: Margaret Ellen (b 1867), John (b 1869), Thomas (b 1870), Jane (b 1876), Robert (b 1878) and Mary Ann (b 1880) - all born Northumberland, England.

The only other info that I know is that Robert Campbell died in NSW in 1912.

I would be very interested to know anything more about this family, where they settled, who the children married, and dates of death - if possible.

Thankyou.

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Re: Robert & Mary Ann CAMPBELL Lookup Request
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 13:17 UTC (UK) »

Found a few things for you to kick things off  Cheesy

Since Campbell is a not-so-rare surname, I'll go back a few steps to establish some key indicators.

1881 Census:
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Robert CAMPBELL, age 41, b. Cramlington Northumberland,
Occ: Coal Miner; residing in Pegswood Northumberland.
Living with wife Jane A. (!) age 39, born Benton Sq. Northumberland.
and kids:
* Elizabeth Campbell 16 
* Margaret E. Campbell 15 
* John Campbell 12 
* Thomas Campbell 10 
* Robert Campbell 3 
* Mary A. Campbell 1 
* Jane A. Campbell 5 


1871 Census:
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Wife is Jane Ann, born in Longbenton, Northumberland.
Living in Cramlington. Kids are:
* Mary Ann Campbell 8 
* Elizabeth Campbell 6 
* Margaret Ellen Campbell 4 
* John Campbell 2 
* Thomas Campbell 11 months 

... so looks like Robert had at least 8 kids rather than 5.
The older ones might well have stayed in England?


1861 Census:
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Now we find Robert Campbell's parents!
Father: Joseph (also a coal miner),
and Mother: Mary.


NSW BDM index:
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Going to this index, we see 3 x Robert Campbells who died in 1912.
This one has the correct parents (well, parent):

13006/1912  CAMPBELL  ROBERT  JOSEPH H  ---   WALLSEND 


... so now we know Robert's death was registered in Wallsend, NSW.

Incidentally, I read in Wikipedia that Wallsend had strong ties with coal mining. Not only that, there's a Wallsend in Northumberland too!
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WALTON, MITCHELL, PICKLES, ASHLEY

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Re: Robert & Mary Ann CAMPBELL Lookup Request
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 13:19 UTC (UK) »

Now to find what happened to his wife:


England & Wales FreBMD Marriage index:
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Based on the Northumberland location, and the ages of their kids,
I found this marriage record:

Robert CAMPBELL m. Jane Ann WANLESS
Year of Registration: 1861 
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 
District: Tynemouth 
County: Northumberland 
Volume: 10b 
Page: 336 


1851 Census:
============
So I find this record that seems to fit best:
Jane A WANLESS, age 9, b. Benton Northumberland,
living with parents & siblings in Cramlington.

Father: Thomas Wanless, age 37, Coal Miner
Mother: Mary Wanless, age 39 
Siblings:
* Elizabeth Wanless 12 
* Jane A Wanless 9 
* Alice Wanless 6 
* Mary Wanless 2 


NSW BDM index:
==============

Had a look for his wife here, but didn't have any luck.
Could it be that Robert remarried at some point at all, given that you knew his wife to be Mary Ann not Jane Ann? (Unless she called herself Mary).

You might like to review what I've said here yourself, just to make sure you're on the right track.

At least you could also now buy Robert's death cert (or a transcription) that might have more clues :*)
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HELLIWELL (Sowerby/Bradford WRY, Wellington NZ, Sydney AU)
>> also West Yorkshire: PARKINSON, RICHARDSON, RAISTRICK,
ACKROYD, BERRY, BREARLEY, BELLHOUSE, DODGSON, BRAYSHAW,
WALTON, MITCHELL, PICKLES, ASHLEY

MARSHALL (Jersey CI, Middlesex, Sydney AU)
BILLINGS / BLACK / SHEPPARD (Essex, Middlesex)

CODDINGTON (Lincolnshire, NSW Australia)

HOWE / HOLMES / BATTERSHILL / KIRTON (Devon)

DUPEYRON / LE MÉE (France, Guernsey CI)
DUFAU / DUBRANA (France)
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Re: Robert & Mary Ann CAMPBELL Lookup Request
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 13:49 UTC (UK) »

Well, I want to say d'oh!  Grin

Firstly, I just noticed in your little footer that you've got the name WANLESS there already, so I suspect you may already know about Jane.

Secondly, did a little Google search for Robert -- amazing what comes up.

Have a look here: http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?p=158058
... that's not you asking the question by any chance is it??

In case not, there's two whole pages on your family & a lady there who says she has lots of info on the Campbells.  And my hunch about Robert marrying twice appears correct, there you go.   Grin

So anyway I'll stop having this party by myself  Grin  (just joking, this type of thing is very cathartic, esp when I have hit so many brick walls with my tree & I'm so in the mood for research  Wink )
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HELLIWELL (Sowerby/Bradford WRY, Wellington NZ, Sydney AU)
>> also West Yorkshire: PARKINSON, RICHARDSON, RAISTRICK,
ACKROYD, BERRY, BREARLEY, BELLHOUSE, DODGSON, BRAYSHAW,
WALTON, MITCHELL, PICKLES, ASHLEY

MARSHALL (Jersey CI, Middlesex, Sydney AU)
BILLINGS / BLACK / SHEPPARD (Essex, Middlesex)

CODDINGTON (Lincolnshire, NSW Australia)

HOWE / HOLMES / BATTERSHILL / KIRTON (Devon)

DUPEYRON / LE MÉE (France, Guernsey CI)
DUFAU / DUBRANA (France)
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Re: Robert & Mary Ann CAMPBELL Lookup Request
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 14:07 UTC (UK) »

Unassisted immigrants arriving Victoria on the Lusitania Port B Fiche 486 Pge 009
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23

CAMPBELL Robert 48 years
CAMPBELL Mary A  40 years
CAMPBELL Margaret E 21 years
CAMPBELL John 19 years
CAMPBELL Thomas 17 years
CAMPBELL Jane A 12 years
CAMPBELL Robert 10 years
CAMPBELL Mary A 7 years

Perhaps it is their son Robert who died in 1912

12956/1912     
CAMPBELL Robert
Father Robert Mother Mary A
District Urana

Do you have this death cert?  A transcription is a cheaper and quicker option - cost abt $17
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm#TranscriptionAgent

Are you actually only looking for information on the family in Aus?

Cheers
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Re: Robert & Mary Ann CAMPBELL Lookup Request
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 18:56 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lin Up A Tree & Cando,

Wow! That's so incredible. Thankyou for all the background information. Yes, I did know that Robert was married first to Jane Ann Wanless, who died in 1882.

I didn't have the details about the Ditchburn side, and totally unaware of the two children also being on "Lusitania" in 1887.

Thankyou too for the reference to the two pages about Campbel. No, that isn't me asking those questions. That's opened a new avenue.

It's finding out the marriages etc of the children in Australia that has me curious and knowing what other lines there are in this ever-growing tree! Thankyou again. Regards.

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Re: Robert & Mary Ann CAMPBELL Lookup Request
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 19:18 UTC (UK) »

O yay!!  Grin  So juicy when we get to move forward in looking "backward", isn't it  Smiley

Will cross my fingers for you that the lady on that page has some great things to share with you. 

Actually -- I forgot to mention, do try another google search; I think there's a similar page on the same site that mentions something about where Thomas ended up at least...?

Reckon you'll probably end up with some new leads soon to find out about the kids anyway.

Good luck!  Cheesy

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>> also West Yorkshire: PARKINSON, RICHARDSON, RAISTRICK,
ACKROYD, BERRY, BREARLEY, BELLHOUSE, DODGSON, BRAYSHAW,
WALTON, MITCHELL, PICKLES, ASHLEY

MARSHALL (Jersey CI, Middlesex, Sydney AU)
BILLINGS / BLACK / SHEPPARD (Essex, Middlesex)

CODDINGTON (Lincolnshire, NSW Australia)

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DUPEYRON / LE MÉE (France, Guernsey CI)
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Re: Robert & Mary Ann CAMPBELL Lookup Request
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 00:39 UTC (UK) »

There are 81 enrolments for James CAMPBELL in 1903 in NSW, but this is the only one for Wallsend.

NSW Electoral Roll  1903
CAMPBELL James   West Wallsend   Engine Driver


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Re: Robert & Mary Ann CAMPBELL Lookup Request
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 01 July 09 10:34 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

Thankyou. I love the user name Lin Up A Tree. But don't know of a james in NSW - yet! Regards.

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Fox - Kent
Hart - Birmingham
Paget - Stanton Prior, Somerset
Absalom - Northumberland
Barrass - Northumberland
Gregory - Durham/Northumberland
Clark - Stornoway, Isle of Lewis
Potter - Birmingham/New Zealand
Mummery - Kent
McRae - Ayrshire
Bruce - Northumberland
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