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kersfam
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*COMPLETED WITH THANKS* 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« on: Tuesday 30 June 09 13:46 UTC (UK) »

This should be an easy one please as the first name is quite distinctive:
FLOWER HOWELL b. circa 1784 I have no idea of his occupation but he was born in Bexley apparently and his children were born there, Ann 1808, Flower (jnr) 1810, Maria 1812, George 1815, Sarah 1817, Joseph 1819, Harriet 1821, James 1823, Charles 1825 and Amelia 1831. He married an Ann Harris in 1807 in Bromley if she's still alive in 1851 or 61 perhaps she gave her place of birth as Bromley too.

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Connolly: PLYMOUTH, COUNTY CORK.  Gillespie/Glasby: IRELAND, DEVON.  Kerslake: DEVON & SURREY & MDDX, (all LNDN).  Bone: NORTHUMBERLAND & CLEVELAND. Mitchell: KENT, SURREY. Howell: KENT. Taylor: KENT & DEVON.
Carter: SURREY, LONDON, KENT. Waldock: BEDS, CLEVELAND.  Brittain: CLEVELAND.   Ruddock: YORKS.  Fidler: YORKS.  Burke: IRELAND.
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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 14:21 UTC (UK) »

1861 Bexley Heath, North Side, Kent
Edward Peyto Head M 27 Baker Kent Woolwich
Amelia Wife M 30 Kent Bexley
Edward son 6 Scholar " "
Mary Ann daur 4 " " "
Amelia daur 9 months "  "
Flower Howell Father in Law Widow 77 Formerly Sawyer " "
Harriet Peyto Neice Orphan 11 Kent Plumstead
RG9; Piece: 465; Folio: 104; Page: 17
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Lunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire),
Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire),
Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)
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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 14:22 UTC (UK) »

Hi Debbie

Does this help?

1851 Census

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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 14:25 UTC (UK) »

In 1851 33 year old Joseph, Sawyer born Bexley is visiting John and Sarah Sherwood in Mill Road, Crayford Kent.
HO107; Piece: 1607; Folio: 299; Page: 27
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Lunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire),
Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire),
Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)
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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 14:30 UTC (UK) »

1851
11 Ledbury Road, Kensington Town, Kensington, Middlesex
Frederick Fricker Head M 50 Tailor Kent Bexley
Fanny Wife M 49                                " "
William Bro U 29 Tailor                      " "
Amelia Howell Niece U 20                 " "
James Glass Nurse Child Middlesex London
HO107; Piece: 1468; Folio: 870; Page: 78
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Lunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire),
Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire),
Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)
Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin)
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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 14:34 UTC (UK) »

Debbie

Have you got the 1841 details?

Linda
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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 14:38 UTC (UK) »

Possible in 1851
15 George Street, Christchurch, St Marylebone, Middlesex
James Howell Visitor U 30 Tailor Kent
HO107; Piece: 1490; Folio: 173; Page: 64


Incorrect, see below
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Lunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire),
Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire),
Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)
Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin)
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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 14:45 UTC (UK) »

1861 Bexley, Kent
Joseph Howell Head M 41 Labourer Kent Bexley
Catherine Wife M 30 Kent Eltham
William son 10 Scholar " "
Edward Son 1 month Infant Kent Plumstead
RG9; Piece: 465; Folio: 98; Page: 5
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Lunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire),
Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire),
Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)
Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin)
danuslave
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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 14:47 UTC (UK) »

Here goes anyway

1841 Bexley
Hundred: Ruxley

Flower Howell  57
Ann Howell 55
Charles Howell  16
James Howell 14
Amelia Howell 12
John? Howell 3yrs 6mo

HO107 Piece 180, Book 4, Folio 24, p13

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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 14:50 UTC (UK) »

1861 Bexley Heath, North Side, Kent
Edward Peyto Head M 27 Baker Kent Woolwich
Amelia Wife M 30 Kent Bexley
Edward son 6 Scholar " "
Mary Ann daur 4 " " "
Amelia daur 9 months "  "
Flower Howell Father in Law Widow 77 Formerly Sawyer " "
Harriet Peyto Neice Orphan 11 Kent Plumstead
RG9; Piece: 465; Folio: 104; Page: 17

Wow! Trillions of Brownie points Mary, you found Flower and his daughter!! Is that 'occupation formerly a sawyer'?  It's nothing to do with a previous surname is it? Just clarifying. LOL. The usage of the christian name Flower must have ended with his children. What a shame! His father was Flower and he called a son by the same name. I imagine it was deemed as rather cissy by then.

Many grateful thanks again

Debbie   Smiley
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Connolly: PLYMOUTH, COUNTY CORK.  Gillespie/Glasby: IRELAND, DEVON.  Kerslake: DEVON & SURREY & MDDX, (all LNDN).  Bone: NORTHUMBERLAND & CLEVELAND. Mitchell: KENT, SURREY. Howell: KENT. Taylor: KENT & DEVON.
Carter: SURREY, LONDON, KENT. Waldock: BEDS, CLEVELAND.  Brittain: CLEVELAND.   Ruddock: YORKS.  Fidler: YORKS.  Burke: IRELAND.
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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 14:54 UTC (UK) »

Here goes anyway

1841 Bexley
Hundred: Ruxley

Flower Howell  57
Ann Howell 55
Charles Howell  16
James Howell 14
Amelia Howell 12
John? Howell 3yrs 6mo

HO107 Piece 180, Book 4, Folio 24, p13

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Hi Linda,
No I didnt have it so many thanks to you. This is brilliant, I'm again stunned by everyones help on here.
Thank you, thank you, thank you   Grin

Debbie

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Connolly: PLYMOUTH, COUNTY CORK.  Gillespie/Glasby: IRELAND, DEVON.  Kerslake: DEVON & SURREY & MDDX, (all LNDN).  Bone: NORTHUMBERLAND & CLEVELAND. Mitchell: KENT, SURREY. Howell: KENT. Taylor: KENT & DEVON.
Carter: SURREY, LONDON, KENT. Waldock: BEDS, CLEVELAND.  Brittain: CLEVELAND.   Ruddock: YORKS.  Fidler: YORKS.  Burke: IRELAND.
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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 14:56 UTC (UK) »

Again grateful thanks Linda! I wasnt holding out much hope to finding many of his children at all. Bless.

best wishes
Debbie  Smiley
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Connolly: PLYMOUTH, COUNTY CORK.  Gillespie/Glasby: IRELAND, DEVON.  Kerslake: DEVON & SURREY & MDDX, (all LNDN).  Bone: NORTHUMBERLAND & CLEVELAND. Mitchell: KENT, SURREY. Howell: KENT. Taylor: KENT & DEVON.
Carter: SURREY, LONDON, KENT. Waldock: BEDS, CLEVELAND.  Brittain: CLEVELAND.   Ruddock: YORKS.  Fidler: YORKS.  Burke: IRELAND.
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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 14:57 UTC (UK) »

Scrub that James I gave before in the 1851 census
1851
No. 4 Surrey  Place, Bexley, Kent
In the same dwelling as the Russells who were next door to the Howells in 1841
James Howell Lodger U 23 Sawyer Kent Bexley Heath
HO107; Piece: 1607; Folio: 99; Page: 24

Yes - formerly Sawyer would presumably mean he retired from that occupation.
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Lunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire),
Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire),
Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford)
Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin)
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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 15:02 UTC (UK) »

1861 Bexley, Kent
Joseph Howell Head M 41 Labourer Kent Bexley
Catherine Wife M 30 Kent Eltham
William son 10 Scholar " "
Edward Son 1 month Infant Kent Plumstead
RG9; Piece: 465; Folio: 98; Page: 5

Mary, you have excelled yourself again LOL I really am very thankful for all your help too.

(ok, previous '51 particulars scrubbed  Grin)

 Grin  Grin  Grin

Debbie

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Connolly: PLYMOUTH, COUNTY CORK.  Gillespie/Glasby: IRELAND, DEVON.  Kerslake: DEVON & SURREY & MDDX, (all LNDN).  Bone: NORTHUMBERLAND & CLEVELAND. Mitchell: KENT, SURREY. Howell: KENT. Taylor: KENT & DEVON.
Carter: SURREY, LONDON, KENT. Waldock: BEDS, CLEVELAND.  Brittain: CLEVELAND.   Ruddock: YORKS.  Fidler: YORKS.  Burke: IRELAND.
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Re: 1851/61 census BEXLEY - HOWELL
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 30 June 09 16:43 UTC (UK) »

Debbie

If you want more detail from the original images, give me a shout.. I didn't go too far 'cos I wasn't sure what you already had.

Linda
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