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Topic: John Unwin 1858 Macclesfield (Read 179 times)
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Davidjnr
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As advised by Heywood and Mum44 I have created this thread to trace the lineage of John Unwin b.1858 Macclesfield.
John Unwin was B: in 1857 in Macclesfield, Cheshire:
With the support of the Forum and 'Heywood's' Manchester Central Library archive parish search we established he was married in February 21st 1876 St James Gorton.
John Unwin 19 yrs Bachelor; a Smith ; Residence Gorton
Father: George Unwin; Banksman.
Sarah Lucy Jones 22 yrs Spinster; a Winder ; residence Gorton
Father: David Jones; a Smith
both signed own names
Witnesses: Frederick Jones and Mary Goodwin
'Lanclass' discovered that Sarah Lucy Jones was born in Chorlton 1876 and that her death was recorded in Chorlton 1889 as Sarah Lucy Unwin aged 35 yrs.
1881 RG11; Piece: 3904; Folio: 41; Page: 25
In 1890 he re-married: Marriage 24th November 1890 All Saints Gorton
Also on Lancashire BMD marriage 1890 to Eliza Getliffe.
John Unwin 33 yrs Widower; a Carter 22 McCormack (?) Street
Father: George Unwin; Foreman (?)
Eliza Getliffe 23 yrs Spinster ; Piecer; same address
Father: John Getliffe ; Carder
both signes own names
Witnesses: Joseph Saunders (?) and Mary Ann San.... (her mark)
I found and agreed with Heywood that in 1891
RG12; Piece: 3175; Folio 47; Page 32
John and Eliza were living at 22 McCormack Street Gorton
John Unwin 34 yrs Carter b Macclesfield
Eliza 23 yrs b Ashton
Emma 14 yrs Cotton Carder
Sarah Ann 11 yrs
Arthur Wm 10 yrs
Martha Ann 8 yrs
George 6 yrs
John 2 yrs
Edgar Wm Gelliffe 11 yrs b Denton (Eliza's previous married name or maiden name as Edgar may be illegitimate?)
In 1901 we have John and Eliza living at
RG13; Piece: 3686; Folio: 162; Page: 38
3 Lilly Street Gorton
John Unwin 47 general labourer b Manchester
Eliza Unwin 33 b Ashton
Thomas Unwin 3 b Denton
Ann Unwin 3 months b Gorton
Can we trace John's father i.e George Unwin and his mother back?
Davidjnr
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wendy47
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Hi Davidjnr
Have you got John's birth cert? What is his mother's name? there are several possibilities.
Wendy 
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mosiefish
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John Knowles 1896 to 1917
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Hi,
This looks a possible despite his POB:
1871
RG10/3677 folio 133 page 38
31 Lunt Hills, Sutton, Macclesfield
George Unwin, Head, M, 44, Brick LAbourer, Macclesfield
Emma, Wife, M, 35, Cheshire Sutton
JOHN, Son, 13, Silk Peicer, Derbyshire Mayfield
Emanuel, Son, 4, Cheshire Sutton
James, Son, 4 months, Cheshire Sutton
by 1881 it looks like father George is in GORTON with possibly a different wife.
1881
10 Reddish Lane, Gorton
George Unwin, Head, M, 52, Bank Ranger on Canal, Macclesfield
Sarah Ann, Wife, 46, Macclesfield
Arthur, Son, 17, Cotton Spinner, Macclesfield
Emanuel, Son, 14, Cotton Spinner, Macclesfield
James, Son, 10, Scholar, Macclefield
Regards,
Mo
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Davidjnr
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That's what I thought, does everyone agree he remarried.
Has anyone checked back further?
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mosiefish
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John Knowles 1896 to 1917
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Hi,
Suspect he didn`t marry Sarah Rothwell/Critchley until 1882 at St. James Gorton. 
Sarah Ann Rothwell aged 36 and her Son Arthur Critchley aged 7 (transcribed Cretchley) can be found on the 1871 census living in Macclesfield:
RG10/3672 folio 128 page 18.
I believe Emma Unwin died aged 36 in 1872.
Regard,
Mo
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukLancs: Harrison, Entwistle, Devine, Grundy, Ashworth, Freeman, Jackson, Rushton Cornwall: Rich, Binney, Peake Devon: Walters |
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wendy47
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I discarded that one but
1861 Census for Mayfield, Staffordshire, England
Joseph Robinson 62 Head Machanic b Mayfield, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Robinson 65 b Cromford Derbyshire
Emma Unwin 26 Dau Cotton Reeler b Macclesfield
John Unwin 3 Grandson b Mayfield, Staffordshire, England
Mary Knowles 27 sister to Head b Cregton ? Staffs
RG9 Piece 2520 Folio 34 Page: 15
Wendy 
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wendy47
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I have this as Emma is with family
1861 Census for District County Gaol at Chester Castle Cheshire
George Unwin 28 Debtor b Macclesfield
amongst others
RG9 Piece 2628 Folio 195 Page 2
Wendy 
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CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
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"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
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FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
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Davidjnr
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As requested I now am building my tree branches with ancestry and pen and paper.
However this line is very confusing!
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wendy47
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1851 Census MacClesfield, Cheshire, England
James Unwin 67 Head Silk Weaver b MacClesfield, Cheshire
Mary Unwin 44 Wife Housekeeper b Potteries Staffs
George Unwin 19 Labourer b MacClesfield, Cheshire
Prudence Unwin 15 Silk Piecer b MacClesfield, Cheshire
Emanuel Unwin 10 Errand Boy b MacClesfield, Cheshire
James Unwin 8 Errand Boy b MacClesfield, Cheshire
Ann Unwin 6 At Home b MacClesfield, Cheshire
Elizabeth Unwin 3 At Home b MacClesfield, Cheshire
HO107 Piece 2159 Folio 482 Page 36
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CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
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wendy47
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You can say that again
You may need confirmation that it is the right line
wendy
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Davidjnr
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We need to back track a moment; as were off track :-)
as I explained above 'Heywood' visited the anchester Central Library archive parish archive and searched to discover the marriage of john and his spouses:
On February 21st 1876 St James Gorton. John Unwin 19 yrs Bachelor; a Smith ; Residence Gorton with his Father: George Unwin; Banksman as witness married
the spinster Sarah Lucy Jones 22 yrs Spinster; a Winder ; residence Gorton
sarahs father David Jones; a Smith also bore witness.
Both signed own names and were witnesses: Frederick Jones and Mary Goodwin.
Therefore in 1881 we need to locate a John Unwin with Sarah Lucy Unwin and based upon the 1891 census and elimination of the children the following children:
Emma, Sarah Ann, and possibly Arthur.
I have Eliza Getliffe with her parents John and Ann at
Rg11 piece 4046, folio 88, page 34 at 9 Dane Street Denton.
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Davidjnr
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What is interesting is that between the 1881 census with Eliza and Getliffe family in Denton and her subsequent marriage to John the widow in 1891 Eliza may have had an iligitimate son i.e. Edgar Wm Gelliffe!
Your thoughts on finding the above 1891 census; Edgar and the census previous to 1876 wedding to Sarah Lucy Jones..
Thanks everyone great discussion and help love ya all!
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Davidjnr
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Wendy awesome work. I matched you all the way but failed to find the Prison rfernce. Where did you find that?
The age of George doesn't match. In 1861 he should be 33/34 not 28. However I have searched through all other John Unwin's within his age and they are married.
1861 Census for District County Gaol at Chester Castle Cheshire
George Unwin 28 Debtor b Macclesfield
amongst others
RG9 Piece 2628 Folio 195 Page 2
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wendy47
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I checked on A******y Census list before going into a specific year for any George Unwin's.
It may not be him but it is handy to have the reference for the future.
Wendy
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CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
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"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
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wendy47
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Did you want the 1881 Census?
43 Wood Street, Gorton
John Unwin 23 Head Spindle Striker? b Macclesfield
Sarah Unwin 25 b Hulme, Manchester Lancs
Emma Unwin 4 Dau b Gorton
Sarah Ann Unwin 1 Dau b Gorton
Arthur Unwin Son 3 Days b Gorton
RG11 Piece 3904 Folio 41 Page 25
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VEAL, PRICE, STURGE, BELLET, DREW, TAYLOR Som/Glos
COTTERELL, NAPPER, NASH, FLEETWOOD, HANDLEY, COLLINS Hereford
NASH, TYLER Warks, Kent
CROWE, REYNOLDS, BEARMAN Suflk/Essx/Middx
Abraham CARLSON/CHARLSON Sweden/E Ldn
COX Wilts
STILES, DORTON Middx, Surrey
"Fisher" HALLUM London? HANSTEY, MARSHALL Northumberland
ELDRIDGE, ALDRIDGE, STILES, DORTON Ldn RAGLESS, NYE Sussex
FEGAN, LOUGHLIN Down
CLAYTON SWEENY Cork
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